What Is Your Frame Of Reference For Understanding Aikido?
We all understand Aikido from our previous and ongoing experiences and training.
Most people in Aikido have previous martial arts or sports experience and there are some on this forum whose frame of reference is training and riding horses. From; http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showth...t=12078&page=6, Quote:
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These days everything I do and think of in regards to aikido is framed around IS/IP skills. Coming from a lineage very similar to Keith, whom you quoted, I now see the point behind pretty much everything we do.
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As you pointed out, my frame of reference has changed much as time has gone on. At first, it was that of a kid who got in lots of fights and had lots of aggression. Aikido "blew" my mind from that reference point. To think a person could win a fight, without hurting anyone else, and do it effortlessly, seemed pretty amazing. This helped me to drop much of the fear and aggression that had gotten me into all of those childhood fights.
My frame of reference was changed again and made me believe that Aikido was a bunch of garbage, not long after getting my black belt. I got into my first fight since I started training, and my Aikido training didn't help me-in either avoiding, or dominating the fight. That pushed me to sport martial arts. Which gave me a new reference point, and made Aikido seem just as silly. It also taught me more about what I considered to be "fighting" than I had learned previously. Then I fought with the Dog brothers, and again my reference point was changed. In that fight, much of my Aikido training came into play. This opened up my perspective to the idea of different fighting contexts; that is to say that different kinds of fights require different fighting methods, strategies and ideologies. It made me realize that there was more to the martial world than kicking, punching, wrestling and high amperage throws. This led me back home, and more training in Aikido. Lot's of long discussion, debate and training hours spent with Michael Varin, many other marital artists, and the people here on Aikiweb. Forming my current frame of reference for Aikido. A system designed to develop humanity through historically sound fighting methods, that revolve around the context of dealing with multiple attackers while armed. |
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For me it is horses. Horses led me to aikido because I heard that there was a relationship between the two and I am finding this to be very true. So quite often in the dojo I will try to find some connection between what I am working on and riding or handling horses. Ive even written a couple of short articles on the subject.:)
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From; http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?p=286372
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It was passed down. O'sensei's method of passing down was him being an example and the student emulating what he was doing. He did not try to find a coherent frame of reference for his students. He used his own frame of reference. It was and is up to the student to supply their own frame of references to understand. dps |
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For me it was horses, high school wrestling, weight lifting with free weights and lots of manual labor.
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If you know the techniques you need frames of references to understand. dp |
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What O'sensi demonstrated for his students was like being given a book written in Spanish. If you already know how to read Spanish you can understand the book. If you know Italian or Latin or any of the Romance languages then you may be able to understand the book a little bit. If you don't know language except English you won't understand the book at all. dps |
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In my analogy the book is Aikido O"Sensei passed down. The student must find a way to read the book. dps |
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THe information is NOT in the techniques. That's why he routinely talked down to people who were technique oriented and he was well known for not repeating them. Something he learned from Takeda. Interestingly enough Ueshiba spent hours and hours solo training and hours and hours talking to them about the mental aspects of Ki. You realize of course, that you are more or less stating that you know better than the old man himself. We can add Shirata, Tohei, Takeda, Sagawa, and many others to the list but...I don't think we need to. Dan |
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as far as frame of reference, it's drinking, partying, and general carousing and public disturbing after late night practice. as far as understanding aikido, still puzzle with why do we need to wear gi pant underneath hakama or wear anything at all? or why isn't there hot pink hakama with the lace trim, not that i would wear one, at least not in public, but why isn't there? why is there aiki ken but no aiki barbie? why aiki jo instead of aiki joe-bob or even billy-bob? and why can't we rap with O sensei doku? :D |
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Best Greg |
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Another derailed thread. Awesome.
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http://benotdefeatedbytherain.blogsp...ei-tanren.html but keep in mind that you can do it and still not be doing it. :) |
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