Push Test with Ueshiba
Only shows up to Aiki News Issue 66, but here are the parts where Ueshiba is tested by being pushed or pulled.
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Im curious why that is in this forum. It seemed to be cornerstone of his personal training, and was displayed in various forms in vidoe by choice, and also seems to have been the standard by which he and his art was judged for years.
So we are to discuss The founder of Aikido's methods Him doing it How he may have done it Why he may have done it As non-aikido events? Can you explain under what terms it has nothing to with aikido? |
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I've always thought that this "aiki" was the core of aikido but I guess not everyone did. Rather than make Jun mad for adding more of these kinds of "aiki" threads in the regular forums, I just put it here. If Jun thinks it should be in another forum, he usually moves it. :) |
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Mark,
So you've chosen to "blend and harmonize" with Jun by posting about immovability here while Jun remains "immovable" about posting about immovability in the "blending and harmonizing" Aikido section? Who's professing and/or practicing what? :D Just trying to be humorous rather than just funny looking. BTW, I had a minor breakthrough last night after my student quoted back to me stuff that I shared recently that my sempai wrote down for me not to forget 20+ years ago . . . sh**! :disgust: (The same sempai that taught me shiko and told me to do it everyday "to get strong" 20+ years ago and I thought squats or leg extensions would be just as good . . . :rolleyes: ) Now I'm older and wiser, and older . . . mostly older . . . and fatter . . . oh forget it! Allen |
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Seriously, Jun's great. I'd rather err on the side of caution and have him move the thread. Quote:
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If I weren't so familiar with THAT I'd think you were joking. LOL . . . sigh! :sorry: Allen (BTW, I'm looking forward to the get together whenever that happens.) |
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In Aiki News 76, Tenryu gives his account when he met Ueshiba.
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Sort of along the same lines ...
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I'll see how bad I can corrupt the next time I see you. evileyes |
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Ah, from the front page of Aikido Journal, comes this article. Seems Ueshiba kept having people push and pull him into his older years.
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I can't speak to why Ki testing and development exercises aren't practiced more widely throughout the Aikido world; perhaps Peter will touch on the subject in his series of columns. The practice, however, hasn't disappeared entirely from Aikido. Ki development independent of waza continues to be an essential part of our schools' cirriculum as well as Ki Society and, last I was aware of, Kokikai dojos. I suspect there are other organizations and independents that carry on the tradition as well Best, Ron |
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I imagine most styles coming from Tohei's side of things would practice this, along with the other forms of testing; some of which mentioned in his books. This example above sounds like a test called "standing naturally". :) |
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From an interview that included Nishimura Sensei
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From Aiki News Issue 099
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Aikido Journal Issue 106
From an interview with Seishiro Endo Quote:
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From Aikido Journal Issue 109
In an interview with Tohei Quote:
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From Aikido Journal Issue 116
An interview with Masando Sasaki Quote:
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Can't be bothered to type it all out, but p.158 of "Aikido Masters: Prewar Students Of Morihei Ueshiba" has Rinjiro Shirata talking about another instance of a mess of people pushing Ueshiba and going nowhere but backwards.
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And once again you are discussing the very heart of the type of training that later creates aiki.
It is the heart of everything Ueshiba did-and demonstrable of what he tried to convey-all being discussed as a NON-AIKIDO martial tradition by aikido teachers and students. It is facinating to watch. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVCZf...eature=related
Now you simply need to do some more spine work and sinking, then do it from seiza. Then we'd have you...a newbie at this...replicating a famous Ueshiba technique. The beginning of O'Murray |
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Probably from Aiki News 63. I have it quoted in post #1. I don't have my Aikido Masters book in front of me so I can't check to make sure. Thanks, Mark |
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As for the rest ... LOL. I'd have to change over to being Irish and the Scots blood in me would revolt. |
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This isn't Ueshiba, but it does reference push tests.
From Westbrook and Ratti's Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere This is just a small excerpt. There is a page or so going over push tests. Quote:
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Kazuaki Tanahashi talks about trying to push Ueshiba. He mentions Saito trying to push Ueshiba over, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpWY58LWaRE |
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