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His dojo and my dojo always have an open-door policy. You definitely have a direct invitation from me for food and drink after some excellent training! Where in CA do you train? I love to visit schools when I travel as well. Regards, Marc Abrams |
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I look around and see someone who can do something I cannot do. I find ways to train with that person until I can do it, then I look for more folks. I already have a back log so I don't see running out anytime soon. It would be different if I were worried about making the best possible choice... but so many other factors enter into it... access, compatibility, willingness of the teacher, all those practical factors. If I can be substantially better next year from where I am this year, it has to suffice. I have a nice network of folks who seem willing to help me with that. I'm not driven, like Sagawa was, to be the absolute best. So my field of choices is wider than otherwise. |
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Here is a similar thread on an CMA forum asking who are the "Best internal guys alive today?"
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.p...st=0&sk=t&sd=a David |
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One of the most important factors in all this is (imho) that the number of native English speakers with a specific hobby, having an internet connection and interested in discussing their hobby on a forum, is large enough to sustain an online communities. If you look at the number of native Dutch speakers (ca. 22 million people vs. the 309-400 million for English(1) [both en.wikipedia.org]), it's just a whole different ball game. :) Checking out German and French martial arts forums might be good idea. (1) I mean, the margin of error on that number is more than four times the number of native Dutch speakers. :D |
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My 2 cents. Mike Sigman |
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I learned the vocbulary here on aikiweb. An I don't know whether there are teachers over here in Europe, teaching something, you would call IS or IP. Carsten |
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a quick bit of background - he spent most of his life up to about 32 as a fighter. challenge matches etc. but also has a verifiable full contact record (selengore state heavyweight kickboxing champion 1976, won all his fights in under 40 seconds). as Mark pointed out he lives in upstate NY but he travels all over the world teaching. the family art, I Liq Chuan is an internal Chinese martial art which is based on Zen and tai chi principles. he's been teaching around the world now for the last 10 years or so, and similar to Dan Hardens method, our stuff is based on series of drills (both solo and two person) meant to train physical sensitivities and develop the ligaments tendons and bones. (in other words IT). although ILC is it's own system it's very lean (basic exercises, spinning and sticky hands, there, you're done), it could be studied easily as an adjunct by those looking specifically to develop IT for their aikido (in fact we have a few aikidoka who train exactly for that purpose). i'll just post two videos in case you may not have seen any of our stuff yet. the first is just your basic "demo clip" of him in action with some students (after the 1st minute) but that won't really tell you much so i'll include a second clip which will be a bit more like watching paint dry, but it's out method. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk1v4RXsH8U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_eGF_5S_ek since i don't want to derail your topic, if anyone is interested in asking more questions specific to what i've posted, please PM. (i have a TON of clips up here if you're interested) |
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Since we are going outside Aikido to find the internal strength that Aikido has lost,what better place to find people online who teach internal strengtht then a CMA forum. I have posted "List of people who can teach IT to Aikidoka" on two CMA forums;
http://www.emptyflower.net/forums/in...showtopic=7526 http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6700 David |
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Good luck with that. I have met lineage holders, champions, and senior students who write really...really well, and they know all the lingo; upon crossing hands; they were either nothing greater than "good jujutsu men", or were laughably inept, and anywhere in between. I swear one guy I met (who was a lineage holder) my wife could probably take. There are just as many who will argue what internal is in the ICMA as anywhere else. There are plenty of "famous" ICMA teachers who posses nothing more than good fighting skills with some basic internal components. Of the good ones who -are- powerhouses how much you want to bet you will ever get the goods without a long, protected tenure? All the same cautions apply Dan Edit: It's still worth the effort to get out and feel and check people out, though the process is, well...a process. But most forums are basically the same. |
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If you're going to use fantasy and role-playing guys as a place to find legitimate I.S. skills, then you have no common-sense criteria. And like I said, I've felt the "I.S" of some of the guys who are on that forum... we're talking about different things. Go back through their archives and see if you can ever find a legitimate discussion of "how to" or "what's involved" in i.s. development. :rolleyes: FWIW Mike Sigman |
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Let's keep criticisms of other websites off of here, please. I don't think such discussions are necessary here. Thanks, -- Jun |
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Seriously, thanks for the better, more detailed post. I've heard some great things about Sam Chin. |
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Maybe Rob could shed some light on this. Far as vocabulary goes, the 'worth listening to' posters of Aikiweb and QiJin deserve the/my credit for that. I'm just trying to get a foot in the door... |
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In several cases in my training career, I've had teachers mention "they either figure it out or they don't" or after showing something, saying "understand". The idea of "Steal this technique" from Ueshiba actually means "figure out how I did the mechanics; use your noodle". In other words, you have to do a lot of thinking, analysing, and smart evaluating. Going to a well-known chatter forum for serious information is not really good thinking. I've got more time studying Japanese martial arts (Judo, Karate, Aikido) than I do in actively studying Chinese martial arts, so I can make the credible observation that good Japanese teachers indicate, just as often as Chinese ones do, that you have to think. Chatter doesn't get anything done. "My teacher" and "my style" don't get anything done. The ones who know something you can spot pretty quickly, once you get a foot in the door. But you gotta think. FWIW Mike Sigman |
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Look at you here on aikiweb. Ashe, I think you should consider advertising one of Sam's seminars in the "Non Aikido martial traditions" section of the site you are on right now. While not directly related, I think many people would find Sam -very- interesting.;) Looks like I will finally get down to train with him this winter. Cheers Dan |
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Ack.... I can't stand it and I have to say something: It's KURODA Tetsusan, not Kudora. And he's really good. What he explicitly teaches, I don't know, though. When your name is Heinz, you usually don't give away the recipe to the 57 sauce. ;)
FWIW Mike Sigman |
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Seminar coming to Oakland California the first week of November! http://www.stillnessinmotion.com/index.php?pg=ILiqChuan Thanks |
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There's a couple of Li Tai Liang's students in the Bay Area that has it and tries to teach it. I would also add Chen Zhong Hua in Canada. I'm sure there's more hidden in the pockets of the US.
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I could be wrong, of course, and I invite Ashe Higgs to come and meet up and show me the superior way. After all, I am just a student and I will enjoy learning from him. Regards, Mike Sigman |
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re: Master Sam Chin in Russia. May 2005 Thank you for posting the vid. I love the way Sam moves. That smooth manipulation at 1:36 was wicked. I like the flick-chuck at the end of that. Not sure of the technical name for that.^ ^ Also; later, at 1:42 the reactions he gets are something else. Doesn't look like Sam moved much but was very disconcerting for the other guy. Taking balance at a touch, eh? How long in till you can start learning to do that? ILC looks very interesting and very powerful. You guys must have a lot of fun. Cheers, Josh p.s. Rob Watson, If you guys are serious about this list; if I understand the consensus it sounds like perhaps you should consider adding Howard Popkin and Bosco Baek. OK! Good luck. |
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