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JesseGraves 06-04-2006 06:36 AM

out of shape
 
fat and outta shape but wanna get into aikido. is that possible??????

Pauliina Lievonen 06-04-2006 06:54 AM

Re: out of shape
 
Yes. :)

kvaak
Pauliina

Nick P. 06-04-2006 08:28 AM

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And once you are bitten by the bug, what might you ask is a good off-mat activity to help you get in better shape? Fast-walking / jogging / running. Does loads to improve your stamina. I think I love jogging because it is so simple and you can loose yourself in the simple movement and breathing.

Not at this level however...but someday, why not?
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Man of Aiki 06-04-2006 11:40 AM

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Doing Aikido by itself is a great workout.

You will struggle during the waza time as you will find you have to pick yourself up off of the mat around 30-40 times a class (maybe more). Believe me, that by itself is a great stamina builder.

Don't be embarassed if you have to take a breather or even can't get through the entire class initially. Someone who can go through an average Aikido class and get thrown down to the mat 30-40 times a class and get back up and not be tired at the end of it is in unusually good shape.


Since most Aikido classes I have seen are planned to provide a very good overall workout for around a hour and a half, it is expected that new students will struggle and maybe only be able to give 100% for the first 30 minutes to the first half hour.

And of course, if you tweak or strain anything you should stop immediately.

Anyone who expects to just step in an do an entire hour and a half Aikido class while just breaking a light sweat had better be in exceptional shape to start with.

crbateman 06-04-2006 12:07 PM

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I am both "vertically challenged" and "horizontally gifted", so I feel qualified to "weigh in" here... :D You CAN do Aikido. Your physique will make some aspects to your training a bit more difficult, but will actually be advantageous in others. Just keep at it, train with dedication and joy, and try to learn as much as you can about the mental, spiritual and philosophical aspects of Aikido. You are NEVER too fat to read, to help others, or to bring happiness to yourself and those around you. At the same time, your physical activity can be moderated so you don't overdue it, and you will be surprised just how quickly your strength, flexibility, stamina and balance will improve. Contact me directly if you have questions, or need encouragement.

Nick P. 06-04-2006 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Brian Cates wrote:
Since most Aikido classes I have seen are planned to provide a very good overall workout for around a hour and a half, it is expected that new students will struggle and maybe only be able to give 100% for the first 30 minutes to the first half hour.

I'm confused Brian; is it 30 minutes or half an hour?
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

Robert Jackson 06-04-2006 09:15 PM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:
fat and outta shape but wanna get into aikido. is that possible??????

Of course you can... As others might have said it might take a bit to make the whole class... But you have to start somewhere...

Fat ,outta shape and you can even run a marrathon... just don't expect to make it all the way the first time on the road :)

JesseGraves 06-04-2006 10:47 PM

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thanks alot guys. made me feel better :)

kocakb 06-05-2006 04:31 AM

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there's a guy in our dojo, weighting over 100 kg (224 Pound)...He is a shodan (1.dan black belt) and is very good in motion. He can take good ukemi (falling) and his aikido is effective - especially in entering, his weight gives him more advantage I think...
So, don't hesitate, you will be fine :)
wish you happy training

Leslie Leoni 06-05-2006 08:40 AM

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Have faith in yourself! You took the first step by wanting to do Aikido. It is a great workout and you will enjoy it so much you will practice during the remainder of the week. I wondered the same thing before I started my training and now I've never felt better! (or looked better for that matter!) My training has motivated me to start other physical activity during the rest of my day, not just for Aikido practice. Take it slow and as you feel comfortable, pick up the pace. You will be in shape in no time! GOOD LUCK!

Trish Greene 06-05-2006 12:22 PM

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We have a couple of "Big Guys" in our class and it always surprises me at how gracefully they move. I've learned that someone's size can be deceiving! Never undersestimate anyone!

RoyK 06-05-2006 03:00 PM

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That's one of the nice things about Aikido, in my opinion, that there's almost no physical limitation that prevents you from practicing it. I, for example, am very unflexible in my legs. So I won't be a Tai Kwan Do master. But I can train in Aikido, and Aikido training pushes me to work on my flexibility so i'll be able to train better.

By the way, when you start training, you may find that your size sometimes gives you an edge in resisting to throws, or in forcing a throw. While that may feel good when you manage to overcome your opponent, I think it will be wise to keep in mind that size and strength aren't the things that make a technique effective.

Now, stop reading and call ur local dojo :)

Robert Rumpf 06-05-2006 03:07 PM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:
fat and outta shape but wanna get into aikido. is that possible??????

How fat is fat? 500 pounds and 5' 4"? 200 pounds and 5' 10"?

Whatever you do, just be careful and try not to overdo it when you take ukemi, especially in the beginning. You don't want to hurt yourself or to have a heart attack.

In addition, if you've got enough mass behind you, there's not going to be much that people can do to stop you from taking bad ukemi, or to guide you into rolls that are less damaging than the ones beginners have been known to take. As you have more mass, landing on your shoulder wrong, or something like that, will have a lot greater chance of damaging you than a lighter person.

I've also had bigger people fall on me, by losing their balance, as nage. This is something that hasn't injured me so far, but that's probably because I'm not exactly small and I'm pretty careful.

In general, people with a lot of mass can hurt themselves (and others) a lot until they learn patience and self control with their ukemi.

However, in the long term you should be fine.

Rob

MaryKaye 06-05-2006 05:00 PM

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Go for it.

Be respectful of your body's need for rest and liquids--especially in summer. If you aren't used to working out, it's easy to let yourself become dehydrated and this is very bad for you.

I spent a *lot* of my first year sitting on the mat panting while other people trained, but they put up with me, and things slowly improved. (I still pant a lot. I need to kick my fitness up one more notch or I'm never going to make it through my next test. But that's a nice motivating goal for me to work on.)

Mary Kaye

JesseGraves 06-05-2006 06:39 PM

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How fat is fat? 500 pounds and 5' 4"? 200 pounds and 5' 10"?

well im 21 and im somewhere between 5'9'' and 6 feet and about 250 lbs
i played alot of football and wrestling in high school. but that was awhile ago. i know once i get going i'll be ok.im sure it'll take awhile to get used to high pysical activity again but after a few classes im sure i'll be fine. what im worried about in aikido is ukemi. seems scary

JesseGraves 06-05-2006 06:41 PM

Re: out of shape
 
also is there a way to practice ukemi before i go into the dojo so i wont make an ass outta myself??? or should i wait for someone to show me the right way?

crbateman 06-05-2006 07:45 PM

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Don't practice without instruction. Learn the right way. Your instructor and your fellow students are there to help you. Do not waste that most valuable resource.

Robert Rumpf 06-05-2006 11:46 PM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:
also is there a way to practice ukemi before i go into the dojo so i wont make an ass outta myself??? or should i wait for someone to show me the right way?

You should probably try to arrive 10-15 minutes before class on a regular basis and ask someone experienced (such as the instructor) to help you learn to fall. If that's not possible, try to stay 10-15 minutes after class to get help..

You'll learn in no time. It took me about 6 months, but I'm a slow student.

Rob

kocakb 06-06-2006 12:21 AM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:
also is there a way to practice ukemi before i go into the dojo so i wont make an ass outta myself??? or should i wait for someone to show me the right way?

Don't think that you would make an ass outta yourself, first, at the beginning none can take ukemi properly and everbody looked funny once...second, I haven't met the guys in your dojo but I assure you that they all will be nice and helpful people. Due to the fundementals of aikido ;)

DonMagee 06-06-2006 08:02 AM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:
also is there a way to practice ukemi before i go into the dojo so i wont make an ass outta myself??? or should i wait for someone to show me the right way?

Failure is part of learning. If you knew how to do it you wouldn't need instruction. Learn to enjoy the learning process of failure. Everytime you fail, stop, laugh, analyze your problem, and try again. If you are worried about making an ass out of yourself, you are going to have a harder time learning.

Robert Jackson 06-06-2006 08:51 AM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:

well im 21 and im somewhere between 5'9'' and 6 feet and about 250 lbs

I'm 26 6'3" 250 lbs... (Probably more when I start 4 years ago) :).. Just get on the mat... They'll teach you ukemi it can be a slow process (took me a REALLY long time to learn how to roll without going splat :uch: but that happens with everyone not just us big people)

Lyle Bogin 06-06-2006 09:54 AM

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Becareful of your neck when you roll and just try it :).

JesseGraves 06-06-2006 02:54 PM

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thanks alot guys.

dps 06-06-2006 04:01 PM

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Quote:

Jesse Graves wrote:
also is there a way to practice ukemi before i go into the dojo so i wont make an ass outta myself??? or should i wait for someone to show me the right way?

Hi Jesse,
Congratulations, you have joined an exclusive club where the right of passage contains a secret ritual and saying. Everyone in this club has, from the beginning of their Aikido practice, performed this ritual and uttered the saying. You will notice your fellow Aikidoists nodding and smiling as your perform the ritual and some will admit to you of uttering the saying to themselves or sometimes out loud. The brave and bold will even tell those outside the dojo.
The ritual; thinking that you made and ass out of yourself as you learn and practice the techniques.
The sacred saying; " Dam, I hope I didn't make an ass of myself."

David :p :p :p

P.S. No one has shown me the secret handshake yet.

Robert Jackson 06-06-2006 09:33 PM

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Quote:

David Skaggs wrote:
P.S. No one has shown me the secret handshake yet.


Secert handshake? I thought that was Kotegashi? Am I wrong? Danget I want to know the secert handshake! Sankyo? Yonkyo maybe a combination of three? Tell me! Tell me!


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