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Tubig 07-11-2005 11:04 PM

Aikido Urban Legends, Stories, and Myths
 
In aikido we have a lot of stories. Stories that are told over millions of bottles of sake and beer.

Stories that can rival WWII or Vietnam feats, dramas, and myths. Stories that is forged with courage, bravery, valore, and spectacle. It is usually about a master who can breath fire and ki whilst making coffee. A little woman who single handedly defeated an army of evil henchmen. These are the stories that would make Hans Christian Andersen and any bard look like an apprentice. The story gets better every year, it becomes more spectacular with every person that re-tells the story.

So let it out, tell us your legends, your myths, your favourite aikido story!

I will start, I heard from a karate guy that apparently there is an aikido master in old Japan that can make any person faint by sucking all the ki by the faintest touch.

I read 'Angry White Pajamas' the author Twigger; mentioned that OSensei was teaching the sexual prowess ki extention in aikido. hmmm I still and very interested in finding the dogma on those teachings.

Apparently a good aikidoka can withstand a wave of the same height at the beach. Apparently aikidokas can blend with any wave of the same height.

samurai_kenshin 07-12-2005 12:12 AM

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wow, wish I knew some of those secrets! I once heard that O-Sensei could track the path of a bullet and dodge it. I also heard from someone that any competent aikidoka is able to pick up/throw anything as long as they strongly ki-ai...where'd that one come from?

Tubig 07-12-2005 12:22 AM

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I also heard that Osensei can not catch the rail and speed trains in Japan, because the electro magnetic force emmited by the current from the tracks makes him dizzy because they interfere with his aura.

Tubig 07-12-2005 12:57 AM

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I just spoke to a mate of mine... He told me that apparently Tohei sensei can extinguish a candle flame behind a glass wall four to five metres away from him, by extending his Ki.

happysod 07-12-2005 03:41 AM

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  • aikido has no competition
  • an aikidoka once won a fight
  • aikido builds character
  • aikido has no ego
  • two people in aikido can agree on a definition of ki
  • shodothugs can use a knife and fork

PeterR 07-12-2005 03:49 AM

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Quote:

Ian Hurst wrote:
  • aikido has no competition
  • an aikidoka once won a fight
  • aikido builds character
  • aikido has no ego
  • two people in aikido can agree on a definition of ki
  • shodothugs can use a knife and fork

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Yann Golanski 07-12-2005 05:11 AM

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Ian,

We Shodothugs only use chopsticks!

*grins evilly*

PeterR 07-12-2005 05:22 AM

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Quote:

Yann Golanski wrote:
Ian,

We Shodothugs only use chopsticks!

*grins evilly*

And in the most delicate and sophisticated maner.

Beholder 07-12-2005 05:50 AM

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Peter Rehse wrote:
And in the most delicate and sophisticated maner.

Yes... but for what?

Yann Golanski 07-12-2005 05:55 AM

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Quote:

Dave Whiteland wrote:
Yes... but for what?

Harmonising with our food, of course.

PeterR 07-12-2005 06:07 AM

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Quote:

Dave Whiteland wrote:
Yes... but for what?

Picking up the pieces.

happysod 07-12-2005 06:32 AM

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Urban myths continued
  • you wait ages for one shodothug and then two turn up at once
  • hakamas hide your footwork
  • yoshinkan do it by numbers
  • fruities do it by feel
  • Osensei's not dead, he's just opened a dojo and grill with Elvis

Michael Cardwell 07-12-2005 07:23 AM

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Iriminage is only a 30 year technique.

ikkyo is a simple technique.

:)

Eric Webber 07-12-2005 04:27 PM

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There are no attacks in aikido (...so I'm learning to defend against the IDEA of an attack, eh? Man, those ideas leave big, big mark when they hit you!).

Jory Boling 07-12-2005 04:51 PM

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Shihonage performed over and over and over causes baldness.

Dirk Hanss 07-12-2005 05:05 PM

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I thought it is true, but it is one of these wonderful stories:

One uchi-deshi of o'sensei had his sake in the dockland inns night by night and he never resisted in those heavy fights, but usually went well out.
O'sensei in spite of his peaceful mind did never comment on this well known facts.
Only once when this uchi-deshi came to dojo with a black eye and some minor injuries, o'sensei said: "You should have more exercises".

Any comments or facts/sources?

Dirk

Tubig 07-12-2005 06:03 PM

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I heard this from a former uchideshi from the Iwama Dojo in the Ibaraki prefecture. Apparently there is a ghost samurai that roams the dojo, and visits people in their dreams. Apparently sometimes one would hear him running up the mountain, and also if one listens heard enough one can here his kiai.

mj 07-12-2005 06:46 PM

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Quote:

Ian Hurst wrote:
  • shodothugs can use a knife and fork

What the hell do we need a fork for? :D

Tubig 07-12-2005 07:59 PM

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* A good ukemi can be done on concrete quietly

* Aikido is a short man's art

samurai_kenshin 07-12-2005 08:19 PM

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If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a speeding fist...obviously not...

Tubig 07-12-2005 08:57 PM

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The Bigger the hara, the stronger the Ki.

hmmmm more beers please.

maynard 07-12-2005 09:17 PM

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The first time I heard this story, it was about a nameless (or I forgot the name) student from the D.C. Dojo that Saotome Sensei was head instructor for.

A blackbelt aikidoka was attacked by a guy with a knife, and the first one or two times, he took the knife away, but gave it back to the guy because that was his reflexive response from training. Depending on the telling of the story, he either keeps the knife, the second or third time. I've also heard this happened either in Chicago or South Florida somewhere, but my memory of the second person who told me of this story is not clear.

xuzen 07-12-2005 09:20 PM

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Quote:

Ian Hurst wrote:
Urban myths continued
  • you wait ages for one shodothug and then two turn up at once
  • hakamas hide your footwork
  • yoshinkan do it by numbers
  • fruities do it by feel
  • Osensei's not dead, he's just opened a dojo and grill with Elvis

Myth: Yoshinkan do it by the numbers

Fact: Yoshi-Orge can't count beyond ichi and ni. Anything above and we will get a headache which decreases our functionality.

Boon, sadly a numerically challenged YOSHI-ORGE (TM)

Tubig 07-12-2005 09:36 PM

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Oh yeh My favourites also are:

- Aikido is a soft martial art

- Aikido is defence only, we do not attack

Don_Modesto 07-13-2005 08:31 AM

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Quote:

John Murray wrote:
A blackbelt aikidoka was attacked by a guy with a knife, and the first one or two times, he took the knife away, but gave it back to the guy because that was his reflexive response from training.

Hey, John!

Actually, Ikeda tells a story like this. I've asked policemen I've trained with if they ever heard of such a thing and they've been very matter-of-fact about it as if it's common knowledge in their circles: you do what you've trained to do.

Up til these conversations I took TANTO DORI lightly. Now I put the weapon on the floor a couple of paces from UKE as a means of returning it.

DustinAcuff 07-17-2005 01:15 AM

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LOL! Note to self: from now on jokingly disembowel uke before returning his tanto during practice. >)

Myth: being sensei's uke is an honor.

Myth: this won't hurt a bit.

eyrie 07-17-2005 06:31 AM

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Quote:

Don J. Modesto wrote:
Up til these conversations I took TANTO DORI lightly. Now I put the weapon on the floor a couple of paces from UKE as a means of returning it.

How about just sticking uke with it instead? ;)

A story was told to me, of one Seino Sensei who came out of the pub, drunk as a skunk, walked out onto the road, into the path of an oncoming car and on impact, casually did a ukemi off the vehicle and continued staggering across the street.... :eek: :crazy:

EricH 07-17-2005 07:17 AM

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Two stories that I have been told:

1. An aikido student was driving a motorcycle when he was struck head-on by a car. His body was thrown over the car and he performed a ukemi on the pavement and thus escaped injury.

2. An aikido master had honed his senses and preception to such a level that he could not ride on the Tokyo subway during rush hour. The noise and press of the crowds overloaded his senses to the point that he could not function.

Don_Modesto 07-17-2005 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Ignatius Teo wrote:
How about just sticking uke with it instead? ;)

I got the smiley, but I see people doing this on tests, i.e., committing felony battery (if not murder--you are not allowed to turn a weapon on an assailant after disarming him/her of it. Cf. "You do what you train to do"), so it's actually not a joke. Sorry to be a stick in the mud.

SteveTrinkle 07-17-2005 02:12 PM

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Hello Ignatius. Yikes! If Seino Sensei hears about this story on AikiWeb you might have some interesting ukemi stories of your own the next time you go to Kamakura!

Cheers,
Steve

P.S. It didn't happen quite that way...

guest89893 07-17-2005 10:13 PM

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Quote:

Don J. Modesto wrote:
I got the smiley, but I see people doing this on tests, i.e., committing felony battery (if not murder--you are not allowed to turn a weapon on an assailant after disarming him/her of it. Cf. "You do what you train to do"), so it's actually not a joke. Sorry to be a stick in the mud.

Hey Don,
Ignatius and those living in less progressive ;) states may not . But with the new law in Florida, if it's all done in one smooth move =guy attacks with knife you take knife away and stab him.You should still be in the parameters of the new law (gotta love Florida). You just shouldn't take the knife out of UKE and re-stab him two or three hundred times for bothering you and getting his blood on your clothes. :D
Don is right though, you could be spending a lot of court time and money trying to stay out of prison.

Lan Powers 07-17-2005 11:42 PM

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Quote:

Don J. Modesto wrote:
I got the smiley, but I see people doing this on tests, i.e., committing felony battery (if not murder--you are not allowed to turn a weapon on an assailant after disarming him/her of it. Cf. "You do what you train to do"), so it's actually not a joke. Sorry to be a stick in the mud.


Mmm, more of a stick in the gut, I think :)
Lan

eyrie 07-18-2005 12:58 AM

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Quote:

Stephen Trinkle wrote:
Hello Ignatius. Yikes! If Seino Sensei hears about this story on AikiWeb you might have some interesting ukemi stories of your own the next time you go to Kamakura!

Cheers,
Steve

P.S. It didn't happen quite that way...

Oh, pray do set the record straight then :D
This was what was told to me. I'm only playing Chinese whispers...isn't that how myths and urban legends start? ;)

PS: Can I plead a bung knee and the fact that I am getting on in years??? :p

eyrie 07-18-2005 01:05 AM

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Quote:

Gene Martinelli wrote:
Hey Don,
Ignatius and those living in less progressive ;) states may not . But with the new law in Florida, if it's all done in one smooth move =guy attacks with knife you take knife away and stab him.You should still be in the parameters of the new law (gotta love Florida). You just shouldn't take the knife out of UKE and re-stab him two or three hundred times for bothering you and getting his blood on your clothes. :D
Don is right though, you could be spending a lot of court time and money trying to stay out of prison.

Obviously he ran into the knife, trying to grapple me to the ground .... d'uh!? :rolleyes: :D

kocakb 07-18-2005 08:52 AM

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I heard that a thief broke into a sensei's house once. Sensei heard the noise and saw the guy, having a knife. They had a fight and sensei took the knife, cut one ear of the thief and made him to call the police; "help, I broke someone house, come and take me"…just a story, dunno if it is true or not...

ramenboy 07-18-2005 12:54 PM

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[quote]Shihonage performed over and over and over causes baldness.

ha ha, jory! that's "blindness"...oh wait...that's not "shiho nage..."

jvc :cool: :cool:

SteveTrinkle 07-18-2005 01:42 PM

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Hello Ignatius,
I'll send you a private e-mail soon with the real story... As far as the old age defense - well I tried that, but the dai senpai are all my age and older. By the way, I'll probably pick up the DVDs today or tomorrow and get them out to you soon.

Later,
Steve

DustinAcuff 07-18-2005 08:30 PM

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This one was a real side splitter when I heard it. Not quite Aikido but here goes

A few years back I was at a blade show in Chattanooga, TN. While there I visited someone's booth and heard him claiming his prowess as a historian of the samurai. The guy sounded pretty credible until: "You see, these katana's we have to day are just toothpicks compared to what the samurai really carried into battle with them. You see they used to carry a 6 foot 150 lbs battle sword with them slung over their backs...." Its a rough quote, but this guy started going on about the massive battle swords the samurai carried that could cleave a armored warrior in two from head to groin and how these weapons were quite famous within Japan because they were so effective......

I wish I were making this up...

PeterR 07-18-2005 09:08 PM

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Well yeah except there are some massive swords out there. Last Koryu Enbu demonstration at Himeji I had coffee with one of the Soke's of such a school. Height of a man but not sure they weighed 150 lbs.

DustinAcuff 07-18-2005 10:50 PM

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It wasn't the legnth that was amusing, I've seen enough variation that the legnth could be possible (like the Claymore for example) but I have a hard time believing that ANY sword could come near even 100 lbs and still be called a sword....you just had to be there to hear this guy.


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