AikiWeb Aikido Forums

AikiWeb Aikido Forums (http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/index.php)
-   Techniques (http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4)
-   -   The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten (http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18473)

stevenaiki 08-04-2010 11:57 AM

The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
The difference between tenkai and Kaiten.
Both have the word "ten" and "kai", but is set at two different locations.
This blanket mean?
Tenkai can say is a form tenkan, as tenshin? in my dojo is entering a blow by moving underneath uke's arm, but we call it the "uchi" opposite "Soto." Does anyone know this technique?
Please share.
:ai: :ki: :do:

Basia Halliop 08-04-2010 12:24 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
My understanding is that tenkai and kaiten mean exactly the same thing (although I don't hear kaiten very often?)... it's when you rotate your body 180 degrees by twisting your hips without taking steps (unlike tenkan). Personally I often hear both tenkan and tenkai used to refer to what's technically irimi tenkan or irimi tenkai (i.e., step forward and then tenkan or tenkai)... sometimes people don't specifically say irimi, I guess because it's obvious from the context.

As far as I have always heard them used, tenkan, tenkai, and tenshin (and irimi, and soto tenkan, etc) are basically just the names for steps you take or different ways you can displace your body and all are used as building blocks in many many many different techniques.

Uchi and soto I believe mean 'inside' and 'outside' so they refer to two different versions of a technique where one you enter 'inside' (e.g., by extending their arm and passing through the opening you've made) and the other 'outside'.

Josh Reyer 08-04-2010 04:38 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
Broadly, tenkai is turning to change direction. Kaiten is turning around a (literal or figurative) axis. A boat changing course is tenkai. A spinning wheel is kaiten.

SmilingNage 08-04-2010 05:52 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
if this helps. Tenkan would be to turn and step(back) while a kaiten opening would be a (180)turn with no step

Janet Rosen 08-04-2010 06:22 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
Quote:

William Oakes wrote: (Post 262529)
if this helps. Tenkan would be to turn and step(back) while a kaiten opening would be a (180)turn with no step

It was Tenkai, not Tenkan.

Adam Huss 08-05-2010 01:39 AM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
At my school, tenkai is a pivot while tenkan is a shift...I think. Maybe I have that backwards...I've been drinking!

SmilingNage 08-05-2010 06:44 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
Quote:

Janet Rosen wrote: (Post 262532)
It was Tenkai, not Tenkan.

Thanks and I know

Flintstone 08-09-2010 07:22 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
Quote:

Joshua Reyer wrote: (Post 262526)
Broadly, tenkai is turning to change direction. Kaiten is turning around a (literal or figurative) axis. A boat changing course is tenkai. A spinning wheel is kaiten.

+1

odudog 08-10-2010 05:05 PM

Re: The difference between Tenkai and Kaiten
 
One thing to remember is that Japanese has a thesaurus just like other languages. So they had to find different words to describe different things only if the difference is minute. It become easier sometimes to now just say one word instead of two or more to describe the action: left hand wrist grab - turn to the outside {tenkan} - turn to the inside {tenkai}.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:55 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.