Derren Brown "Psychological Punch"
Any thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBXXA5xhcQ0 ...err...that is to say, does anyone know more about this than meets the eye? Derren Brown is one of my favorite "entertainers." Here, assuming he's not using conditioned uke, he seems to be utilizing the concept of no-touch atemi. What do you think? |
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Great comedy! Back on the block we call that "flinching", and when you do that, you get...two for flinching.
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I have seen that TV sequence before, and I was impressed. Maybe what we do in no-touch atemi is to make use of the same psychology? The human senses are quite refined, so it is often difficult to draw a definite line between what's "real" and what's not. We perceive reality through our imagination, so it is a strong power even when not supported by physical evidence - maybe particularly strong when not physically evident. It's a pity that magicians don't give away their secrets... |
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I want him to punch me.:D
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The experiment could be really telling if it did not work on a person who was not one of the teacher's students... or an aikido student for that matter---no one with years of being whacked hard for not falling ;-)
Ricky, or anyone else who says "Oooh! Oooh! Pick me!" would probably be fine ;-) |
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This other guy does a good version of the push test and makes a skinny lady unliftable.
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"Psychological Punch" as leading
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Obviously in the budo context we have to be able to be effective in the physical context, but I think an often overlooked facet of budo lies within the psychological realm. I view what he does in this bit as an example of leading...in fact nearly everything I've seen of his seems to specialize in the art of leading people through their mind/perception. My understanding of Aikido involves beginning with some posture (mental or physical) which has innate openings or qualities, which are in turn designed to entice somewhat specific behaviors. Walking down the street with full strides and an upright posture, with simple confidence (i.e. mental posture) tends to dissuade the opportunistic mugger a bit more than slouching and looking sheepish, for example. The same kind of thing is true for direct interactions. Our postures affect the way people interact with us, whether they want to hurt us or beat us at chess or whatever. In short, how we carry ourselves is how we attempt to lead the world around us and how connected we are (how good our musubi is) determines how effective our daily purposes are. In the case of this video, Brown intends to make someone flinch. It helps that he has a Wing Chun guy demonstrate a punch and that the guy hit says it hurt (I'm sure that was part of his leading process). Anyhow, it just got me thinking about the possible value to no-touch efforts. |
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Sorry for being off-topic to the forum, Jun. I posted this thread with the intent of discussing it in terms of Aikido.
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Aikido is often referred to body "and mind" unification. Ki is often directed by the mind. Subtle manipulation of the mind then connects and direct the ki of the other person/uke. I have often been taught no-touch throws are based on this mental connection/direction and timing to take balance. |
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I thought it was the most interesting that he DIDN'T choose the Wing Chun guy to be his volunteer for the the punch...I'm sure the results would have been different.
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