"Uke from hell"
...Am I the "uke from hell" because I have a strong grip and are well centred?:eek:
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Come train with me - not too far away eh :-)
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Another Nidan at our club complains I give him rope burn and calls me the ":Uke from Hell" Sadly I inherited "strongest man" at the club, but at my last grading Sensei complimented me for not using any strength or power. Which is what I am focusing on more and more. In saying that, when I train with any lower kyu grade.I never use such strength. But Shodan and above at least deserve an honest attack...Maybe... This Labour weekend (2014) our club hosts Bob Nadeau Shihan for a 3 day seminar in Auckland...Come along friend. |
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Give to each what they deserve and need. Then your question will be answered. If you are going to grip them with strength, be prepared to show them how to get out of it, or use it against you!
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But I am learning, just avoid them on the mat, there loss not mine... |
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Far from it! It sounds like you are a good training partner. Feel free to train with us any time.
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I think the uke from hell is basically the opposite and is not committed to any attack. Like the uke who is supposed to punch you in the face but always stops the punch before it gets to you. If I tell you to punch me in the face then punch me in the face...it's my fault if I don't move my face and get hit.
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I've had that title and now I am "worse". :D Not because I have a strong grip (which on it's face, is ridiculous and is a sign of poor Ukeme) and I am "strongly centered". Now I am a "bad" Uke because I influence my Nage to execute the technique correctly by being soft and staying connected with him/her. I have learned through experience that in presenting a strong grip you foolishly give your center to Nage before they have to do anything. ;)
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Since I've only studied for 25 years (with many more years in other Martial disciplines) I have found that those who think good Ukemi is personified by a good hard grip do not really understand the purpose of the grip, since there is no grabbing in Aikido with the exception of training and helping nage with the technique. But then again if you don't mind getting hit (Atemi) grab away. :D Back in the day when I acted like you I found myself gasping for air on the mat one day when a Senior Yudansha kindly reminded be the purpose of grabbing in practice with a quick lighting tap to the solar plexus. Now when you learn to have "sticky hands" and exhibit power while remaining completely relaxed, and soft...then we will have something to talk about. Have fun. :) William Hazen |
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Uke from hell -- or nage from hell -- is one who is more interested in playing games to show up their partner than in participating in training.
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What Mary said. Pretty much anyone can lock down and prevent a technique from happening as demonstrated, because they know what's going to happen. Nage either has to hit them (easiest), or do something else (might annoy Sensei). Or out-base uke and force their way through the technique, which means bruised wrists: just... annoying.
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Mary said it.
However, it is obvious when your strong grip should take it easy, as the situation demands. In my opinion, you absolutely NEED a strong grip to do it right, and there are various roads to that. I know for a fact there are a lot of Aikidoka in the world who do not agree, fine. |
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What Mary said, too. Very to-the-heart-of-the-matter.
So what is it that makes a good uke? I have, and still do, find this question to be a big fat riddle. I've had a recent break from aikido, and this was partly due to the uke-nage training model, which I find can be very frustrating. So... 3 suggestions for good uke-ness: Uke allowing nage to request variations in attack strength/intensity (but not integrity). It's boring not being able to do anything, and boring practices end up becoming no practices. Sometimes, as nage, I want to test myself against a strong grip, and sometimes I want to work on something other than the beginning of a technique. If I'm failing to manage to get things moving even 1 time in 10, then maybe uke needs to cut me some slack so that we can both do some aikido. Uke seeking to make a connection and then seeking to follow it *whilst keeping him/herself safe* (Very important - I once knew an uke so bad that I nicknamed him [to myself] ‘Atemi ___'. Not because he used atemi, but because he taught me so much about when in aikido you have opportunity to strike. The waza just don't work correctly if uke's being a numpty.) Personally, I have often been guilty of not sufficiently connecting and trying control nage's centre, thereby making it more difficult for nage to practice (perhaps the opposite of an overly strong grip). Uke - knowing that we all ‘dig in' sometimes, often without realising it - being OK with nage changing the waza as he/she sees fit. Egos again, I suppose. Jon |
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