Term changes
Hi folks, per another thread, I was curious about the changes in terms for describing the roles of uke and nage. Was this simply a case of a newer generation using more contemporary terminology? Does it reflect a shift in emphasis (either de facto or by design)?
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What change in terms are you curious about? Further clarification is needed.
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Where do you hear that? When practicing with Endō Seishiro we very seldom have shite and aite. But mostly, allmost ever, tori and uke is used. |
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It's uke and nage for us. We had shi'te and tori used instead of nage at the coaching course recently (lots of different styles represented) and no one got confused. Not up on the history of why different terms are used or any nuances in meaning I'm afraid.
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(As usual, mucking things up...my subconscious ongoing attempt at keeping myself humble :D ) BTW, FWIW, at my school we use aite and tori a lot, but also uke and nage, so they've always seemed more or less like synonyms to me. |
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aren't we due for a name change? i vote for bozo and waldo. :)
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This is just a function of preference. Doesn't dictate if a style is new or old. Aite means opponent. Tori means to grab, to hold, take posession of, ect... Shite is a conjucated form of a word meaning to do, so the person doing the technique.
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Hello Matthew, nice to see that you are still posting.
The terms uke and nage describe a situation in the past tense. One person has thrown the other, the other has been thrown. That works fine when we are doing kata, we know in advance which person is going to perform which role. But if we study and practice genuine Aiki, then we do not really want to know in advance which role we are supposed to take. So I prefer not to use the terms uke and nage. I rather use Aite and Shite instead. The latter terms were used by actor / playwright Zeami to express two equal members of a play. O Sensei had a distinct preference for these two terms for the same reasons as Zeami. |
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Thanks for starting this thread Matthew it is really informative. We use uke and tori and I thought this was standard.
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