Skin IS Structure: Creating the Disc Video
I've got a video on - what I'm calling - the Disc. Here's an idea of an overview of the disc.
http://static.zenimax.com/bethblog/o...t-Disc_web.jpg The outside circle is created by finding your natural hip rotation. The inside circle (with the black line on the CD) is created by finding your sacral rotation. The disc should be thin - say, less than 1/4" thick. Between the disc and the skin, your body will show you everything you need to know in terms of proper alignment. This "kit" really only has three parts: 1. Skin is Structure 2. The Disc 3. The Cones (decoupling) - points on the feet. (later the fingers) And that's it. I also mention a bit about the use of "decoupling" with points on the feet - could be toes - and sometimes the heel - to drain and discharging energy from the body. Basically, getting the unwanted energy "flushed" rapidly by creating a vortex to a point on the ground. Once we've created the disc, and have a mental and feeling image of it, then we begin to move it. I cover that in the video. And comments or questions are welcome, as this in a work-in-progress, and the input here is showing me how to better communicate these concepts. Cheers.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrdrLmbze6k |
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While this is getting formulated and tightened up, if anyone is interested and wants to do a Skype video call, I'd love to work with you on this. Email me at dan@dr.com - SIS in the subject line. Thx
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I can't edit this topic, but I've uploaded another version of the video that shows my feet in the frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks6TVWloGUM |
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The heels, from what you do in your video are a pivotal points ,Sorry I cannot fathom your assertion that the heels are decoupling points.By the way, your method of turning and the use of the heels to pivot is Chinese based.In the Aikido that I have be involved in I have seen little usage of the heel in movement as demonstrated by you in your vid in aikido tai sabaki such as Tenkan, Irimi Tenkan, Shiho giri etc.Cheers, Joe |
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hI Dan, just wondering where the term 'cones' comes from. Is it your personal terminology or from some internal art?
Peace.G. |
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Hey Joe, there is a pivotal point on the heel. Not the heel pad, but an actual point. I like the term pivotal point - because it demonstrates that point as a "drain." If was tried to turn on our heel pads...we'd just get mush...and most likely just get stuck and stop. The energy would not drain down faster than it's rising in the heel. But with a point - it drains the energy - which creates power - directed, transformed energy.
Plus, look at Ueshiba's heels at :40 Nuff said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoDK3XuvZWw Also notice he uses a single point on the outside of the ball on his left foot. Here's the difference of turning on the heel pad vs turning on a point: The heel when pressed into the pad, actually couples the heel with the leg and the energy in the leg. The energy is not used. Contrast that with moving the energy to as, as you call it, the "pivotal point" - that point - decouples the heel from the leg - and that point creates a vortex drain for the energy - transforming the energy into power. And in fact, it's that point that is the lead for the power. I can tell you there is heel work in aikido - even if the movements are very small. Aikido is more Chinese than you might think. It may not be taught at the level of "shu" in most of the schools, but by the time you get to "ha" and certainly "ri" and start truly creating your own aikido, everything has to be examined, and nothing can be ruled out. Also, the need to Create the Disc is going to have people moving in ways they may not have done in their formal training in aikido classes. Most aikidoists really have no clue how to move like that. Most people training and teaching aikido aren't doing aikido. But people are waking up. Thanks for jumping in and giving me something to chew on towards tweaking the presentation. Cheers... |
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All of this is my own terminology as applied to body, movement, and power. I want to design something - a model with some terminology - that's simple and specific that people can use to get rolling with this stuff. |
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It's the same with the feet and toes. coupled toes to feet are the same as coupled shoulders/arms to torso. If you stand feet flat on the floor, you're feet - under the pressure of your body are coupled to the floor. The flow of energy is blocked - at least enough to not allow for the power (directed, transformed energy) to move out of the body and into the ground. By creating a point - big toe, other toes, one of two points on outer ball, and one on heel - take your pick - you decouple the body from the floor - creating a drain channel for the energy - which, at that point, has been transformed from energy into power. Also, in the case of getting hit - rather than the vibrations of the hit remaining in the body - they can quickly be discharged into the ground. I hope that helps. Let me know if you could explain it. I'm still working on a good model to explain the cones and decoupling. I'm getting there. LOL.... and I appreciate you're helping me pick this apart. |
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Well, your talking 'points' and talking 'cones' I assume the point is the point of the cone. Then you are talking 'allowing energy through to the ground.' I have an understanding on points and the practice of using one point and of moving one point to any point you choose. I can thus do that for as you put it decoupling. All very interesting but I find in the end not too necessary myself for it can all be done from centre. Ie: With enough practice of centre the 'decoupling' happens naturally. As far as it being needed on parts of the feet in order to allow energy to 'ground' I don't find it necessary. You can have feet flat and do so, you can sit seiza and do so, you can sit on a chair and do so. So for me it sounds too complex. However I do use a point to allow energy to 'earth' at first different to centre I call Koshi for it is at the back of the hips? base of spine area. Now here's a concept similar to yours I use or teach to help which is similar to your cone one and in life, although man made, there is an example with two cones. The egg timer. One opens to heaven and one to earth. So that's me. Enjoy your research. G. |
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I see no evidence in the clip you use to illustrate your views that the outside ball of the left foot of O Sensei has any major bearing.In any way. The clip is such that it is nigh impossible to determine exactly any point such as the outside of a left foot.The main point about O Senseis movement is the fact that he has almost natural move.I do notice a tendency for him to use a type of posture akin to shiko dachi [ note the slightly outward turning of the feet ].This posture engages the hip area.I believe the same type of posture is used in Kyudo and Sumo. You are quite right in your assertion that most aikidoka would not move like you illustrate in your Create a Disc vid.May I also be so bold to suggest that most Aikidoka would not do Nikkayo in the manner that you show in you other vid? Each to his /her own but I consider the waza applied by your students as being ineffective.Sorry if I seem to be unkind.You may well be onto something which may well be informative.i applaud you for doing you research, however as yet I aam not convinced that your views /theories are supported by facts.I look forward to being proved wrong in my views. Keep up the good work.All the best, Joe |
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Hey Joe, I used various videos to show some principles, not techniques. In the Youtube comments section for that video, Corky Quakenbush adds:
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Hey, Joe, is this you almost stumbling? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTnbV-qTO9o
Really out of lateral alignment there. You should learn to Create the Disc. |
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And who's that other guy in the hakama? One of your students? He's all broken - no body integrity. Falling all over himself. Get him to create the disc, too.
There's ten-year old kids who play out my yard with sticks who make you guys look like amateurs. |
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Yes indeed it is I . Stumbling , dont think so. Out of alignment am I ?Maybe using your methods would improve my posture .On the other hand maybe using them would assist me in falling over. Who knows.Nice to know we can throw rotten tomatoes at each other in friendly banter.Cheers, Joe. |
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As it happens he was not a student of mine. I only met him few days hence. May you be so kind to let me know where I can meet your ten year old kids? Would love to train with them.Fortunately I have no more vids on youtube , so mercifully I will not receive your critical/ constructive??? comments. I trust we can beg to differ on certain issues. Good luck with your DIsc production.I would be honoured if you sent me set signed by yourself .I am sure it would change my life forever. cheers, Joe. |
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Joe, I'm not interested in doing anything but learning and sharing. I didn't throw any tomatoes. I don't have any tomatoes. I just handed you the tomato, that you dropped, back to you.
[ Oh, shit. The kids in the yard have tomtatoes. Duck! ] |
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If you hand me along with your tomato a nice slice of virtual reality cheese and pickle maybe I could enjoy a virtual sandwich while drinking my imaginary cup of tea reading your comments .All kidding aside this jolly banter is ok by me.Like you I welcome the opportunities to learn /share and debate with others on this forum. All the best, Joe [the man who stumbles at the drop of a Jo]. |
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Hey I'll need some of those rotten Tomatoes for Arsene Wenger tonight....Arsenal aren't too stable!
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Now we're talking! Cheers...
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Graham, the kids are on their way.
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Now that's fun!!! Oh, and so was watching Arsenal tonight :)
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