Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

People rarely speak the whole truth about themselves especially in Japan??????? Wow!

I need say no more, more bu needed so you can better your bun perhaps.

Peace.G.

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

What he said about him and another said about another. Worthless gossip and natter. Unbudo.

Peace.G.

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

I never said he was right, it's more complex than that - but every argument has two sides and Ueshiba wasn't always on the right one.

Best,

Chris

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

Sure, it's so ingrained in the culture that they have specific words for the concept.

Best,

Chris

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

Every culture has words for it. Anyway I'm ending this discussion here as it leads nowhere.

Ki testing is the subject.

Peace.G.

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

Ah, I see! It seems we're simply thinking of different things when we say 'testing'. I was thinking of the many tiny moments that happen all the time in practice, when we repeatedly try an exercise or technique many times, sometimes successfully and sometimes not... I'm also thinking of situations where I, for example, deliberately make _myself_ fail in a specific task in some exercise or technique, as a little experiment to see what works or doesn't.

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

But not all cultures are the same or place the same emphasis on certain cultural conventions, and Japan is well known in this area. Anyway, I agree that it has little to do with the subject.

Best,

Chris

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

While this is a very real possibility and something to beware of, I can also think of many very positive interactions I had where I did not always 'succeed'. The tone of the interactions I'm thinking of was not negative or competitive and I had no sense that my partner was trying to prove I couldn't do it or show off that they were better than me (and I've definitely had those interactions too so I can feel the difference!)

It felt much more like a brainstorming session. We would end up identifying weaknesses in what one or both of us were doing and often then collaborating to come up with ideas to improve the weaknesses, or if we couldn't come up with one at the moment, mulling it over later or asking Sensei about it at a later time. For me when it does work well it's more exciting or intriguing than particularly demoralizing...

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

I like it and agree 100% Basia. In fact more than that 1000% ha, ha. My favourite way of practice.

Peace.G.

Re: ki testing...emphasis on both uke and nage getting stronger
 

Despite my asking for an improvement in tone here in this thread, it doesn't seem like the tone has improved any.

Thread closed.

-- Jun