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I believe it says something like " In Judo, when you're pulled you push and when you're pushed you pull. In aikido when you're pulled you enter and when you're pushed you tenkan." And there's more.... andrew |
I think this is one of the more subtle differences between aikido and 'sports'. Yes, in judo you can tell if it is good because they can resist, but if I punched somebody hard in a vital point during judo I think they would be very shocked, but in aikido we have to assume this may happen.
For this reason we cannot 'hang-around' in aikido, struggling etc; it defeats the object of the defence. We have to assume that every potential strike can kill/debilitate us and so we do techniques where people do not get that oportunity to strike. This necessarily takes away from realism in the dojo, but if we are aware (both as uke and nage) of what they could have done, and the potential weaknesses we can change this next time. If we are just struggling and trying to throw each other we don't have time to re-run this problem with our technique, and we don't learn how to improve (in the same way). from my experience, in real life people who attack you do not assume you have a good knowledge of martial arts and tend to be quite suprised when you do an aikido technique - even poor ones (which they tend to be!). I have never had a situation where someone has tried to do a counter technique or even given a reasonable level of resistence - mostly they haven't a clue what is going on. Therefore practising counter techniques and being 'awkward' is mostly unrealistic (though possible useful at a higher level). Most people who have taken a swing at me hoped to knock me across the room (possibly because I'm quite small!). Ian |
P.S. this is not a cricisim of martial arts as sports - I think it is easier to develop effectiveness early on in martial arts sports whereas it takes constant awareness (and minfulness) as uke and nage to get effectiveness in non-sport martial arts.
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Ian, I know no criticism was intended...:D
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It would be truer to say...when pushed you give way (Ju) by exactly the amount you were pushed, when pulled you enter the same way. Pushing, pulling, grappling etc in judo is done (strongly) but without committing the bodies balance. Sometimes we call it 'physical chess'. (We call Aikido physical Zen.) And yes there are opportunities for opponents (we call them players) to strike you, and more often than not, they do.:o But it is highly enjoyable, as is aikido. Believe it or not, my own personal view of the differences between aikido and judo are mainly concerned with ukemi.... |
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The pen is indeed mightier than the _*cough*_sword! I remembered reading about it (Russian martial arts) here on Aikiweb and did a search to find it. Anyway ... George, your posts are always appreciated. Jim23 |
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