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I will try make other points as connection point instead the place where im grabbed and see what happens. Thanks for the advice. Another question: Do you know what are those "neutral points" wich saotome sensei and ikeda sensei talk about. I have seen him explaining in some dvd but not in detail. |
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Force neutral is really the key. Where do you create momentum/force from?
From relaxing and letting gravity do it. Thus the criptism "weight underside". Unbendable arm is also key. But is often misunderstood. Consider this diagram. If you have a vertical structure with a welded pole near it's top and pointing downward at 30 degrees. If the structure drops downward, the pole also pushes through anything that resists it. The bottom of the pole is a force neutral point. The dropping of the underside of the structure creates the momentum and the mass yields force. Bit dropping like this can be efficient only if you drop straight downward ( not at angles). Angles occur as our legs prevent us from dropping straight down. We get in the way of gravity and prevent momentum from occurring. That is another key issue. |
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The "weld" at the connection between the structure and the pole cannot give way.
When translating this model into human terms, the weld is our "force neutral" shoulder. If you use muscle to keep the shoulder from collapsing, it is not force neutral. Relaxation of the shoulder is also key. Here is a mental image that has worked for me. If I am standing erect and pretend I am holding two 80 pound dumbbells, my shoulder site back and low in their sockets. Any forward positioning in the socket is muscle tension and interferes with "force neutral." |
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Bit dropping like this can be efficient only if you drop straight downward ( not at angles). Angles occur as our legs prevent us from dropping straight down. We get in the way of gravity and prevent momentum from occurring. That is another key issue.[/quote] Totally agree for me i'm experiencing what you are saying. Quote:
1. When you say relaxation, people interprets it as loosen his articulations and letting it without any control. 2. When you say "tension" or "muscular force" or "force neutral", people tries to go to (1) "then you have a shoulder-weld with a hinge that cannot control or transmit anything. I think we need another word to express the kind of state we must have in our body for doing aikido effectively. I think that i have identify three states; relaxation, tension and muscular power and for me those means: Relaxation: Having your articulations totally free and loosen. For me this is the opossite of tension and a bad thing Tension: Having your muscles tense withouth generating any movement of your articulations and thus locking it. For me this is the opposite of relaxation, bad thing too. Muscular power: Using only the needed muscles in a movement to create or maintaing extension while grabbed or not, this situation lets you to move your articulations to respond to uke's changes. This is what im doing actually if i manage to. Any thoughts on that?. |
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I agree with you on the problems with the term "relax" but if you use "muscular power" the way you propose nobody else in the universe is going to understand you.
Furthermore, everybody who talks about this stuff talks about getting away from muscular power--the quality of movement you are looking for does not feel like using muscles, it feels like dropping muscular force, like you're not doing anything with your muscles. The tai chi people talk about "softening" the joints instead of relaxing. I find that a useful image--if the joint is soft, it's pliable and flexible--probably not tense or rigid. And I can always work on getting it softer. |
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The image of rubber bands is a very useful on for me. For a while I was way too yin; thinking relaxation was like being jelly armed. Then I made a study of bone alignments and how tendons work.
When both flexors and extensors are balanced, bone alignment happens with neither muscle nor tendon working against the balance. This is often cryptically called "non-contention". If the whole skeletal structure is balanced that way, small flexion and extension movements of the various joints, beginning with the bottom of the feet (metatarsals and plantars) work in sequence and momentum builds. As the saying goes "Good Kung Fu begins at the bottom of the feet, goes through the knees, is directed by the hips and culminates in the hands." This cumative pattern has been described as a snake traveling through your frame. It so can be applied in aiki throws simply because force and momentus are at play via long leverage. A touch, a push, a punch. It is all the same from my experience. Just a question of velocity and intent. If the leverage is short, uke feels it. If the leverage is long... (The Master's touch is lite as a feather and heavy as a mountain.) |
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