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  #14 New 08-06-2010 08:00 AM
The first MMA "I have some knowledge, however, of baritsu, or the Japanese system of wrestling, which has more than once been very useful to me." Sherlock Holmes

I'm going to Baker Street next week. So I was thinking about Sherlock Holmes (who lived there at 221B). I haven't seen the Robert Downey and Jude Law movie yet - somehow Jeremy Brett is the quintessential Sherlock Holmes. Anyway I found the quote above. Actually he probably meant bartitsu. Or perhaps the printer made a mistake. A man called Edward William Barton-Wright developed his own eclectic MMA - mixed martial art - at the end of the nineteenth century. Maybe he had been bullied at school for having too many names. Anyway Barton-Wright worked in Japan for some years and apparently trained in Shinden Fudo Ryu Taijutsu in Kobe and also judo at the Kodokan in Tokyo. Then he made his martial art by including four styles of fighting each with its own ma ai or optimum fighting distance.

The first was stick-fighting using a walking stick to keep an assailant at a safe distance. This was developed from la canne, a French martial art.

The second was kicking techniques as used in savate - also a French martial art - as the distance became a little closer.

The third was boxing as the attacker came within striking range.

And the fourth was jujutsu - grappling with the attacker and throwing him as he came close enough to grip.

So Barton-Wright had a very comprehensive approach to ma ai. He said:

"Under Bartitsu is included boxing, or the use of the fist as a hitting medium, the use of the feet both in an offensive and defensive sense, the use of the walking stick as a means of self-defence. Judo and jujitsu, which were secret styles of Japanese wrestling, he would call close play as applied to self-defence.
In order to ensure as far as it was possible immunity against injury in cowardly attacks or quarrels, they must understand boxing in order to thoroughly appreciate the danger and rapidity of a well-directed blow, and the particular parts of the body which were scientifically attacked. The same, of course, applied to the use of the foot or the stick.
Judo and jujitsu were not designed as primary means of attack and defence against a boxer or a man who kicks you, but were only to be used after coming to close quarters, and in order to get to close quarters it was absolutely necessary to understand boxing and the use of the foot."


Apparently now there are two strands of bartitsu. One is an historically accurate bartitsu as practised by Sherlock Holmes, and the second is a neo-bartitsu which is a modernized version for real self-defence. Some of those cane techniques look very cool!

And I said MMA earlier for a reason. Barton-Wright was probably the first person to stage mixed martial arts tournaments.

And you never know when a little bartitsu can come in handy. For example if ever you are engaged in a life or death struggle over the Reichenbach Falls.


And here are some links:
This is the original Sherlock Holmes story by Arthur Conan Doyle: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Ad...he_Empty_House
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinden_Fudo_Ryu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_..._Barton-Wright
http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/ba...-and-training/
http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/category/training/
http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/th...holmes-part-1/
http://www.bartitsu.org/index.php/th...holmes-part-2/

photo: holmeswindow used by kind permission of bfistermn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41507974@N00/4611420529/) under creative commons licence


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#12 11-28-2010 01:06 AM
niall Says:
This a very detailed and interesting article about wrestling in ancient Greece: http://www.historical-pankration.com...wrestling.html
#11 11-23-2010 01:49 AM
niall Says:
Thanks for that link too, Carina.
#10 11-22-2010 01:23 PM
Yes, that is right,we have also a known bullfighter who traines in the aikido line of Steven Seagal and Matsuoka Sensei,he did a publicity for a car in TV and showed an aikido technique, I was happy about it, But many people in the forum complained about it. But I wanted to put you about Taludohttp: //www.taigym.com/taludo_ro/index.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPiiNMWa7Gk
#9 11-22-2010 08:52 AM
niall Says:
Thanks, Carina! No I hadn't heard of that. It's good if she makes martial arts popular...
#8 11-21-2010 02:34 PM
I saw that movie with R.Downey and J.Law on the plane very interesting the bartitsu(I didn't know when I saw it) I think flying to Buenos Aires. Talking about modern MMA, did you hear about kihatsu?, invented by Noa Diez from Spain, she even went to Japan to demonstrate it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_jargcgC0
#7 08-10-2010 11:35 AM
niall Says:
Thanks Graham - I'll check that out.
#6 08-09-2010 01:15 AM
niall Says:
Thanks, Graham. Wow that is interesting. I did a post about no-throw aikido and my draft title was Apologia... If you remember where that reference is sometime I'd be really pleased to know. By the way if you ever want to write a live link to a homepage it's [ url ]www.aikiweb.com[ /url ] with no spaces inside the square brackets = www.aikiweb.com Cheers, Niall
#5 08-08-2010 08:14 PM
Hi, no problem, niall. There's actually a reference to a pancratist(?) in one of Plato's dialogues, which, being both a philosopher and a martial artist, I enjoyed reading. I was aware of the modern-day sports promotion Pancrase, yeah: I follow MMA, and although I don't get that promotion on the TV over here, I know it by reputation - Bas Rutten, etc. I was actually looking at Baritsu myself several months ago, as it happens... - Graham
#4 08-08-2010 05:19 PM
niall Says:
(continued) Incidentally that name survives as Pancrase in modern professional wrestling in Japan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancrase. Regards, Niall
#3 08-08-2010 02:53 PM
niall Says:
Hi Graham - thanks for that. That's an interesting article. First point is that it looks like pankration was a competitive sport and not purely for self-defence. Also it looks like the participants were all pankratiasts (who could wrestle and box), though, as opposed to fighters from different disciplines (wrestlers versus boxers, say?) like in the competitions Barton-Wright produced. But of course then there were the gladiators! I should have said modern...
#2 08-08-2010 01:03 PM
You might be interested to know that the ancient Greeks held what might be considered 'mixed martial arts tournaments' some 2500+ years before this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration All the best - Graham
#1 08-07-2010 04:53 AM
niall Says:
I've just seen an episode of the new 2010 BBC TV series Sherlock with Benedict Cumberpatch as Holmes, Martin Freeman as Watson and Rupert Graves as Inspector Lestrade. Very very cool. It's set in London now, not one hundred years ago. Great. His bartitsu was a bit on the vulnerable side though. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...sherlock.shtml
 




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