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Creation Date: 10-15-2009 03:15 PM
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In Miscellaneous IT has to be felt? Can you explain that .. Entry Tools Rate This Entry
  #1 New 10-15-2009 03:20 PM
IT, IP, IS, aiki or whatever Dan Harden and Mike Sigman are posting about (let's presume they are both on the same topic) -- and I only mention these gentlemen because they post often on the matter and general consensus is they have got the goods.

Me? I'm nobody and don't know nutt'n. I want IT. There is no debate about IT. When someone like William Gleason Shihan goes to see Mr. Harden and becomes one of ‘them' that ought to settle the matter once and for all -- for everyone. No, it is only a question of when and where are we all going to get IT, too? I don't have to be convinced and I don't need to feel it before I ‘drink the koodaid'. I'm ready to get on with it (IT). Either Mr. Gleason really found something special or he has been brainwashed and beguiled by Mr. Harden -- either way I want that kind of mojo. Don't care for Gleason or Harden? How about Ushiro, Ikeda, Threadgill? Pick you favorite exemplar -- If you've already got one then let's move on. Still need convincing -- this is not for you. I admit that I had my doubts, too. For me, Mr. Gleason was the nail in the coffin (please forgive the metaphor). Of course, I was already leaning pretty far that way anyhow (but still centered).

I'm a scientist (physicist) and am a true believer and that means everything must be explainable using the ‘tools of the trade' of physics and science in general and eventually all will yield to the scientific method. If you don't grant me that then might as well stop reading now. Just because something can't be explained now does not mean it can't be explained eventually -- sometimes the tool set has to grow to solve the problems. Quantum theory and the general theory of relativity really do explain quite a bit but they simply are incompatible with each other and this is a great big problem because each is the best we have in their respective areas of applicability and they really ought to work together. This just shows that there is still work to be done on the tool set and our ability to use the tools and to pose the questions in ways that will yield answers. Successive approximations approaching the asymptote of truth -- maybe that is the best we can have but that should not stop us from hoping and striving for more. One small step forward is still progress.

History proves that the transmission of knowledge is critical for the continued existence of our civilization. The single most effective method of transmission in this context is the written word. Certainly there are limitations and weakness in the written word but if you seriously think it is not the most effective method of transmission of large and complex bodies of knowledge just try going without for a few years and see where you end up (I strongly recommend against such a test).

It would seem to be a matter of little dispute that the knowledge of aiki was once prevalent but has fallen into obscurity and is now on the upsurge. Imagine if the decline had continued for another generation or two -- we might have lost IT all together and be left to our own devices to discover it anew (not a very effective or efficient mode).

If we wish to insure that future generations of budding budoka get IT then a written description and even, eventually, a strong scientific basis for IT is an absolute must unless we want to risk losing IT like we almost did already.

One can read everything ever written about aikido and not get a bit of it at all until they get on the mat and build up the experiential base to interpret the words so written. Aiki/IT is the same way. There is no substitute for real experience. Having had that experience (in aikido) and looking back at the old books there are flashes of "oh, that's what they meant". Aiki/IT will be the same way (I so state boldly with no supporting reference). We have all had the same experience of reading something and thinking it did not make sense or explain clearly enough and, when assisted by someone more experienced, it did start to make sense -- organic chemistry done at the bench instructs as much as at the desk but without some guidance you might blow your face off.

I've read my share of poorly written books. Maybe ‘those in the know' now are not the ones yet able to do the heavy lifting (writing the scholarly expositions) or even care to try (or even think it is possible/worthwhile but just a big waste of time). Someday there will be one/some who takes up the task and then there will be others who follow and build on the base until there are well established ‘camps' who insist ‘our way is the best' and can provide sound scholarship to support their claims. We can even have discussions about the evolutionary benefits and sources of aiki -- who knows, maybe there is a clear physiological/anatomical change that happens that indicates IT and it can be found on old bones, maybe even really old bones like homo erectus bones, after all is there not a history in aiki/IT for cadaver dissection-looking for what exactly-finding what exactly?

Will the evolutionary study or the physics or psychological aspects/truths of aiki speed ones training along? Maybe, maybe not -- probably will help take it to another level all together. Not to mention I find such a fine diversion. Just ponder a moment the collective history of the human race for the past 10,000 years compared to what happened in the last 150 years. The last 150 years have been the age of science in which the method has taken what was and built it up in unimagined ways -- some wondrous and some monstrous. Now, I don't particularly see men whacking golf balls on the moon as a testament to the scientific method but it sure is more interesting that philosophical debates about phlogiston, ill humors and small dwarves in the guts. Even so, blood letting and leeches do have a time and place for use that are solidly scientific uses.

Ueshiba kaicho was a voracious reader and wrote a fair amount too. If he is a good enough example for ones physical study of aikido and aiki then find the time to read and write as well. I know, shameless appeal to authority-it happens in the martial arts fairly often and I am not immune.

Maybe, one day, there will even be an aiki Olympic event in which the best of the world compete to get the fancy medals and their faces on cereal boxes-aiki whores that ‘sold out' to the commercialization of our beloved art. On second thought, maybe it is better to keep things quiet, secret and selective-close the barn door tight.
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#12 10-19-2009 03:13 PM
Rob Watson Says:
@ Mr. Cambell: We build on the good works of others and it is far too difficult to replicate all the effort from beginning to end. No one person can do the task alone and we will have to work together. I have no doubt it will take many years. Just what is the physics and brain chemistry involved in intent? Well, I didn't say it(IT) was going to be easy.... One brick at a time
#11 10-19-2009 03:12 PM
Rob Watson Says:
I did say 'drink the koolaid" and now I regret it. Really a poor choice of words that conveys the totally wrong impression. What I meant to say is I'm convinced there is something there so I'm ready to dive in to IT.
#10 10-18-2009 07:56 PM
Rob, if you're really a scientist, then you shouldn't be satisfied with others' explanations. Get out of the physics lab--despite Erick's best intentions, the explanation is not physics--and get your hands dirty with some field investigation. These guys are hands-on. They can give reasonably precise descriptions of what they are doing, and you can make your own direct observations--then go home and cogitate. It's not Koolaid people are drinking . . . it's a really good Belgian Tripel.
#9 10-16-2009 12:49 PM
Rob - The argument I failed to make is that Art is not fully describable in words, scientific, poetic, prosaic or otherwise. The map is not the territory. Not that they don't mix or that they support each other. you know?. I agree that there are many examples of the type you speak of. Cheers man. Good post (post it!)
#8 10-16-2009 12:37 PM
Rob Watson Says:
@ Mr. Orange post #4 I'm with you on that one brother! IT is captured our attention because it is so obviously important and effective as well as freakin' mysterious (I suppose only to those of us on the outside). I will defer for now on exactly what would constitute a 'scientific' explanation.
#7 10-16-2009 12:29 PM
Rob Watson Says:
Like anything of great interest or value it takes a seeming insurmountable amount of effort on many fronts (even an aura of impossibility) before even a hint of progress can be realized or made obvious - kind of like months of directed and dedicated solo training in IT before tangible effects become apparent. I fully appreciate the blending of science and art is a tall order but oh what fun is to be had!
#6 10-16-2009 12:28 PM
Rob Watson Says:
I often hear that art and science are incompatible but nothing could further from the truth. Art and science are the perfect mix! Find any artistic endeavor that has not grown and expanded when mixed with science! Consider the example of adding perspective into paintings and the dramatic impact conferred into the medium as the images suddenly leap from the canvas instead of laying flat in a weird 2-D limbo. Such examples are countless.
#5 10-16-2009 10:43 AM
Hello Rob, My 0.02$: there is a reason this is called an 'art'. It is very difficult and I claim impossible to adequately describe an art into words. Words. Picture = 1000 words. say then Feel= 1 000 pictures == 1 000 000 words. Like using machine language to develop a computer application. Not the right scale of things.. Need high level gloss terms to 'handle' them mentally. In the final analysis though; i agree; ultimately these things will come to light as well. That is the promise.
#4 10-16-2009 10:29 AM
David Orange Says:
My first experience with IT was when a relatively small man did a "hopping" side kick that looked awkward and ineffective but it lifted me off my feet so softly yet so powerfully and set me back across the room so far that I never forgot it. If anyone can explain "scientifically" how he could pass that energy through a folded mat and another man's body to lift me like that, I'd really like to see the explanation. Thanks for your thoughts.
#3 10-16-2009 09:52 AM
MM Says:
Part 3 (end) IT is a lot of boring, but very mentally intent driven solo work. And IT is also paired exercises. It isn't glamorous or exciting at first. And I found that the first 6 months or so really doesn't give any indication that you're progressing ... but you really are. So, if you only know a few exercises, keep doing them. You just get better and build upon what you've done so far.
#2 10-16-2009 09:51 AM
MM Says:
Part 2 I met Bill Gleason finally and what a great guy. I think the Aikido world is in good hands there. If you get to one of his seminars, grab him (not literally) and get him to help you get started on the IT. If you're ever around the Pittsburgh area, let me know. I'm not that far. Maybe we can go over what I'm doing with aiki and you can see if you can find some scientific answer for it.
#1 10-16-2009 09:51 AM
MM Says:
Hello, Have to break this up because of max word limits. Part 1. I don't think that explaining aiki or Internal Training(IT) is not worth pursing. But, IT is a very complex process that involves a lot of the human body movement (both internal and external) that top level scientists can't explain ... yet. Once our level of understanding of how the body and mind works, yeah, we'll have lots of info out there. Until then, we struggle on with the physical hands-on approach.
 




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