aikido and rugby

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[arvin m.]

hi folks i was just watching a test match egland against canada( gawd those boys from canada got whipped soooo baaad)...
i used to play rugby and i kinda wanted to ask this since i took up aikido

1)How can we use aikido in tackling a bigger, stronger opponent?

2)How can we use aikido to aviod getting taken down when making a run for his try line? In essence, how to avoid being tackled...


im thinking like shomen ate for the first part but i kinda think its illegal and for the second part, we just learnt how to sidestep and go low when attacked with yokomenuchi so that we kinda end up with our shoulders into his ribs and our heads behind his back(sorry this is kinda hard to describe)...from there all we have to do is to yank his collar down to the weak point behind and between his feet to bring him down...

would love to hear from u guys abt this thanx alot...

[guest1234]

I know even less about rugby than Aikido, but here I go trying anyway...
1. move from your center :)
2. try to turn your hips to avoid the tackle, and if that doesn't work, continue the turn to hopefully get him off of you (like a kokyunage from ushiroryokatatori).
Thinking back to football games I've watched (mostly as the team doc yelling at my guys to stop hitting with their heads), I think that they do this (without even knowing any Aikido!) anyway. In fact, I recall a sixteen year-old at my last dojo doing a football type jink when a visiting sensei was watching us do randori---made everyone laugh, and Jones Sensei pointed out that it worked.
Remember not to stop to pin them at the end ;)

[Jim23]

Originally posted by arvin m.
hi folks i was just watching a test match egland against canada ...

1)How can we use aikido in tackling a bigger, stronger opponent?

What do they speak in egland? Engrish? :D

I think the key is not to tackle the other players, but to just tackle yourself.;)

Jim23

[gadsmf@aol.com]

The most common use of Aikido in rugby is irimi nage, which usually manifests as a high
(not to mention illegal)tackle.
By the way did anyone see the British Lions
trounce the wallabies last week?

[arvin m.]

yeah iriminage would be illegal thats for sure but im thinking like when im making a run for the try line(ok whereas would i be making a run for? :)) can i extend my hand out like shomen ate so that if someone doesnt go low for a tackle then he catches my palm?
See folks im a small guy trying to find my way in a big man's world so i was thinking of making use of my training to aid me in rugby...still no views on tackling a player(thanx for the suggestion jim as always u make perfect sense...):)

[Jim23]

I know, sometimes my comments just fly by most people.

On a serious note though, perhaps you should discuss this with your sensei.:eek:

Jim23

[Jim ashby]

Try Tai Sabaki on the run. It tends to be a bit of a surprise to most guys who think and run in straight lines. Jeremy Guscott used to do this a lot, mind you he was also as fast as a greased weasel!
Have fun,

[arvin m.]

sorry but ive never come across tai sabaki, would it be too much to ask if u perhaps outlined how this technique is done please? Thank you...
Jim, perhaps i will take it up with my sensei but it feels a little awkward...

[andrew]

Originally posted by gadsmf@aol.com
The most common use of Aikido in rugby is irimi nage, which usually manifests as a high
(not to mention illegal)tackle.
By the way did anyone see the British Lions
trounce the wallabies last week?

They're not the "British Lions" simply because they're not all British.
:)

Tai sabaki is the basic steps- Irimi, tenkan, sugiashi etc.

andrew