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Ascendedskater25
01-26-2006, 06:48 AM
I'm just wondering if this is good training or mindless abuse to your palms? I have heard a legend of the iron hand and he trained like this. Boilng water and slapping it for bout 3 hours a day.

Nick Simpson
01-26-2006, 06:53 AM
Im sure it would do your nerves a world of good...

Ascendedskater25
01-26-2006, 06:56 AM
he did for 3 hours every day and when he got home, he was upset becuase a lack of evidence from his training so he slapped the table breaking it into splinters.

Nick Simpson
01-26-2006, 06:58 AM
Wow.

Saturn
01-26-2006, 07:04 AM
Nerve damage is the point, damaging the nerves instead of developing calloses also keeps your hands pretty. I don't know about how nessecary it is to use boiling water though, you could just use a sock filled with pebbles. It is good though to dip your hands in some hot water after to open up your blood vessels in you hands. And it works to. Better to use a sock than water also because you can toughen your fist, knife -edge, finger-tips, back fist and palm thrust- not just your slap hands. 15 mins daily should do it. evileyes

happysod
01-26-2006, 07:07 AM
Slapping boiling water? He must have been as impatient as I am at getting his boiled eggs out of the pan...

My understanding of iron palm etc is that it needs a combination of toughening exercises in conjunction with various herbal mixtures (whose contents spawn excellent flame wars on various websites) to have any useful effect.

I'd doubt very much that boiling water would have any effect other than to create scar tissue from burns, which, while it would reduce sensitivity in the hand would hardly alter the general makeup in any other way. In short, I'd consider this in the crap myth-making basket and move on.

Ascendedskater25
01-26-2006, 07:14 AM
So, Pebbles you say, I have been training my Iron Hand Techniques for about 4 years now and I some pretty nifty results, I used it while training with one of my friends/students, and i used the technique with a Kihai, It strait knocked him down, and ended the sparring session.

Saturn
01-26-2006, 07:20 AM
I did not say "peddles" evileyes !

Ascendedskater25
01-26-2006, 07:23 AM
lol sorry i'll edit it lol

Ascendedskater25
01-26-2006, 07:24 AM
I might start using them, what kind of pebbles?

SeiserL
01-26-2006, 08:25 AM
IMHO, I have never heard of slapping boiling water imrpoving your Aikido.
Sit silently beside it and watch it cool by itself.

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01-26-2006, 08:34 AM
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Mark Freeman
01-26-2006, 09:15 AM
I'm just wondering if this is good training or mindless abuse to your palms? I have heard a legend of the iron hand and he trained like this. Boilng water and slapping it for bout 3 hours a day.

A bit of a waste of hot water and three hours if you ask me.

Much easier to purchase a pouch of Ian's pebbles, I've heard they are very good! :D

roosvelt
01-26-2006, 10:37 AM
I'm just wondering if this is good training or mindless abuse to your palms? I have heard a legend of the iron hand and he trained like this. Boilng water and slapping it for bout 3 hours a day.

The story I heard was plain regular room tempareture water.
Some version says at the ned he could repel water without tuoching. Some version says he could suck water up. I never heard about boiling water though.

Matt Molloy
01-26-2006, 11:49 AM
A bit of a waste of hot water and three hours if you ask me.

Much easier to purchase a pouch of Ian's pebbles, I've heard they are very good! :D

No Mark. You don't want to go anywhere near Ian's pebbles, especially if they're contained in a "vibrating latex pouch". :eek:

This isn't that kind of forum. :yuck:

Cheers,

Matt.

(Ian, you ought to be ashamed of yourself! :D)

Mark Freeman
01-26-2006, 12:08 PM
No Mark. You don't want to go anywhere near Ian's pebbles, especially if they're contained in a "vibrating latex pouch". :eek:

This isn't that kind of forum. :yuck:

Cheers,

Matt.

(Ian, you ought to be ashamed of yourself! :D)

Aw, it was the vibrating latex bit that I was most looking forward to! ;)

Bronson
01-26-2006, 01:10 PM
I might start using them, what kind of pebbles?

I've also read to use uncooked mung beans. As the beans break down the oil released is supposed to help condition your hands. The beans are replaced with harder and less forgiving media as you progress.

Just what I read somewhere once.

Bronson

eyrie
01-26-2006, 01:27 PM
If you're going to slap your hands in boiling water for 3 hours, then you might as well do the dishes while you're at it.

Saturn
01-26-2006, 02:12 PM
Ian, you should do infomercials. And that was funny. evileyes

Ascendedskater25
01-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Well, I decided to try sand in a pouch how bout that?

Matt Molloy
01-26-2006, 07:07 PM
Aw, it was the vibrating latex bit that I was most looking forward to! ;)

Mutter mutter. Bl**dy Ki types....When I were a lad.....Seven Navvys on't'end o' mi shovel.........

Cheers,

Matt.

Ascendedskater25
02-02-2006, 06:30 AM
translation for usess that dont speak scottish

Edwin Neal
02-02-2006, 06:43 AM
use the boiling water to make tea... i think i am detecting the slight odor of trollshido...

Michael O'Brien
02-06-2006, 09:46 PM
The story I heard was plain regular room tempareture water.
Some version says at the ned he could repel water without tuoching. Some version says he could suck water up. I never heard about boiling water though.

But if you can slap the water hard enough and fast enough to make it boil then you're doing something. :)