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rottunpunk
01-23-2006, 07:41 AM
heyo.
we started learning part of the first jo kata in class last friday.

i have a couple of questions which i hope people may be able to help me with if thats ok.

firstly, whats its name?

and also, the main point...how do i tsuki?
my teacher was trying to show me, but he seems to thing im trying to use it as a bayonette.
i followed his moves closely, and tried to put the lifty twisty bit in at the beginning but got advised that i was lifted myelbow
i concentrate on using hara but think i might be pushing it with my arms still.

my teacher is dead good at the unarmed stuff, but doesnt seem to be able to convey stuff (though it may just be cuz im fick at the moment) i know aikijo is completely different from real jo, but any advice would be greatfuly recieved.
:p

grondahl
01-23-2006, 09:00 AM
Give your teacher another chance. Then practice in front of a mirror or film yourself.

Sometimes the difference between what you think your doing and what you actually are doing is huge.

MikeE
01-23-2006, 09:14 AM
What you call it, how many steps it has, and how you perform each movement is all dependent on your affiliation.

rottunpunk
01-23-2006, 10:58 AM
ok. cheers. ive got high ceilings at home, so ill have a do there.

we only learnt half of it so i dont know how many steps.
it went, choku? tsuki, block, repeat, hidari men strike, migi men strike, change hands to over arm grip, then 2 more men srikes. think its the second part.

i study under lancashire aikikai-traditional aikido
:p

Dazzler
01-23-2006, 11:04 AM
Sounds very much like 31 count kata.

Do a search for Iwama Ryu and you should find some useful info on this.

Alternatively ...Its almost certainly in the Aikiwiki or somewhere here on aiki web.

Cheers

D

rottunpunk
01-24-2006, 04:10 AM
thanks for info D
ill have a squiz.
:p

ian
01-24-2006, 06:00 AM
I sometimes practise alternate strikes to the front a rear (tsuki) x 100 on each side. (warm up though or you'll strain your neck!) - striking both to the head and sternum.

Also, try striking a target (be careful if it is a tree, the bark can be damaged very easily; although a little damage won't kill it, if you damage the bark the whole way around it could). This feels very different and requires you to get your centre behind it and make full contact with both hands at the last moment.

Try some of that and you'll understand it. As with all training be careful not to get into too many philsophical discussions about precision and this and that and formality over which is right - what works, works, what doesn't work doesn't work. None of this is magic, people just train and reflect!

Lan Powers
02-06-2006, 04:48 PM
< Also, try striking a target >

It feels very differant than just going through the motions. A valuable thing to be familiar with.
Lan

rottunpunk
02-08-2006, 07:46 AM
hmmn.
He tried getting me to strike his jo.
But i didnt understand what i was meant to do, and he gave up.

Ive had a couple more goes and no more comments about my tsuke. So does this mean its correct, or just hopelessly bad?
ask your sensei question i know.
:p

batemanb
02-08-2006, 08:40 AM
Hi Deborah,

I'm Lancs Aikikai too :).

Does sound like the 31 count jo kata. If you look it up and also reference Saito sensei, you should find enough info. I'd recommend going back to your instructor though, he's best placed to instruct you.

Are you going to be at the Pemberton course on 26th? I'm hoping to be there with a few others from MK, maybe see you there.

rgds

Bryan

Mark Freeman
02-08-2006, 08:49 AM
Hi Deborah,
i know aikijo is completely different from real jo
this does not compute for me, how so? what is real jo?

andlancashire aikikai-traditional aikido is lancashire aikido different from any other county?
I ask as we are a bit slow down here in the west country :(

It takes a long time and a lot of practice to get anywhere near to performing good jo kata, be patient. I think some of your questions will be best answered by focussed training.

regards,
Mark

Erick Mead
02-08-2006, 09:20 AM
Hi Deborah,
this does not compute for me, how so? what is real jo?


REAL Jo comes steaming hot as a witch's cauldron, dark and black as the sins of thousand marauding pirates and one sip of which will wake the dead -- here and in the next county . . .

Unless -- you meant the four foot stick ?

Cordially,
Erick Mead

Matt Molloy
02-08-2006, 09:28 AM
this does not compute for me, how so? what is real jo?

I think that Deborah would be meaning Shinto Muso Ryu Jodo as described here on the BKA website.

http://www.kendo.org.uk/jodo.shtml



and is lancashire aikido different from any other county?
I ask as we are a bit slow down here in the west country :(


Aye, in Lancashire, Aikido is known as "Ecky Thumpin" or "The way of the Trousered Ferret" and instead of handing out a black belt at shodan you're awarded the Flat Cap. :D

That's my bit done for the reinforcement of stereotypes.;)

Cheers,

Matt.

Mark Freeman
02-08-2006, 10:32 AM
REAL Jo comes steaming hot as a witch's cauldron, dark and black as the sins of thousand marauding pirates and one sip of which will wake the dead -- here and in the next county . . .

Unless -- you meant the four foot stick ?

:D :D thanks Erick


I'm always concerned though, when I realise I am supposed to be practicing something that is not 'real' so thanks for your link Matt it gave me some good info.

As for re-inforcing stereotypes, us straw chewing, pasty munching, turnip heads down ere, don't even know what a stereotype is!! :eek:

Matt Molloy
02-08-2006, 11:58 AM
I'm always concerned though, when I realise I am supposed to be practicing something that is not 'real' so thanks for your link Matt it gave me some good info.

No problem. I think it's just different ways of using the stick but that they specialize in it. Not sure of the possible similarities as I've only seen a bit of Jodo at last year's IKET. (Looked pretty good though. :) )

As for re-inforcing stereotypes, us straw chewing, pasty munching, turnip heads down ere, don't even know what a stereotype is!! :eek:

Thanks. I now have visions of Wurzel Gummidge doing Aikido.

(With Shihan Crowman of course.)

Cheers,

Matt.

Mark Freeman
02-08-2006, 12:19 PM
Thanks. I now have visions of Wurzel Gummidge doing Aikido.
(With Shihan Crowman of course.)
Cheers,
Matt.

Gummidge Sensei is well known around these parts, he has his own "Rural Style", which I'm told is slow, asthetically pleasing and very ineffective! ;)

Cheers,
Mark

mbooth
09-11-2009, 06:06 AM
Hi

A bump of an old thread (came across it by way of googling).

I think the OP refers to what is called the 'First Kata', which is specific to the Lancashire Aikikai. I think it's around 20 steps.

If anyone else is reading...hope this helps :)

mbooth
09-11-2009, 06:24 AM
I forgot to say. There are also no demonstrations of it online as far as I can find either :( (With it being so specific to the Lancashire Aikikai)

ChrisHein
09-11-2009, 11:10 AM
What is a "squiz" and what is "fick"? Am I getting old or something...

Linda Eskin
09-11-2009, 11:27 AM
I know this is an old thread ,but since people are reading it...

In case anyone else hasn't found this yet, I stumbled upon a great description of the 20 jo suburi, right here on AikiWeb, under Articles: http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/jo_detailed.html (http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/jo_detailed.html) The instructions seem to match almost dead on with what we do in class (at least for the first 5).

Mark Freeman
09-11-2009, 06:47 PM
What is a "squiz" and what is "fick"? Am I getting old or something...

Hi Chris.

yes, you probably are getting old, :D

A 'squiz' is 'to take a look at' (not sure where that word is derived from but I have heard it used by younger folk) and 'fick' is phonetic spelling of the word 'thick' as in "as thick as two short planks" meaning "not mentally bright".

I'm surprised to see some of these old threads bubble up to the surface again :cool:

regards

Mark

ChrisHein
09-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks Mark. I was scratching my head over those.

Lan Powers
09-14-2009, 02:12 PM
Englich and American are not even CLOSE to the same language any longer.
Ah spik Texan Muhself....
(I relly need a spitting emotican 'round 'bout now too)
:)
Lan

Mark Freeman
09-14-2009, 05:28 PM
Englich and American are not even CLOSE to the same language any longer.
Ah spik Texan Muhself....
(I relly need a spitting emotican 'round 'bout now too)
:)
Lan

Two nations divided by a common language:)
I speak Devonish so I needs me a 'moticon chewin ayseed m'luvvers;)

sunrod
09-15-2009, 03:43 AM
I know this is an old thread ,but since people are reading it...

In case anyone else hasn't found this yet, I stumbled upon a great description of the 20 jo suburi, right here on AikiWeb, under Articles: http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/jo_detailed.html (http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/jo_detailed.html) The instructions seem to match almost dead on with what we do in class (at least for the first 5).

Just to add to this...if it is a description of the 31 Jo kata you're after we have one on our site: http://www.aikido-reading.co.uk/pages/31_kata_no_kumi_jo.htm :)

J.