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dj_swim
11-21-2005, 10:12 AM
Okay, so immediately after I clicked on "New thread" I totally spaced the name of the technique I was going to ask about... hopefully someone will be able to follow me through this...

On the 6th kyu test for ASU, there is a technique and I have no idea what it is... it's like "kokyu tanden ho" or something like that.

I tried to break it down and translate it using the glossary in the back of the book, but that just made it sound like a breath exercise.

It's not a "...kyo" technique, so I'm guessing this is some sort of throw?

Can anyone tell me what this is, and ideally direct me to a photo or video clip of it? Thanks!

-Doug

bhutchy23
11-21-2005, 10:42 AM
It's a technique done from seiza, and probably the only one you know if you are just starting out. While both sitting seiza uke grabs both your wrists. You then extend and toss him to one side. I don't know of any video clips of the technique. The community in general seems, in my opinion, to regard this as more of an exercise than a true technique.
Kokyu is breath. The technique is much like a breath throw (kokyunage) in that there is no grabbing other than the attack. I don't really know what "tanden ho" means.
I hope that helps.

6th Kyu For Life
11-21-2005, 10:55 AM
Actually, this is a suwari waza type technique, or maybe "excercise" is a better way to put it. The name of the technique breaks down like this: kokyu: breath/breathing action (the definition of "kokyu" is almost as nuanced in aikido as "ki" but, breath or breathing is the most succinct definition, I think) tanden: your center, synonymous with "hara" ho: means either "direction" or "method," but I'm not sure which character is used here.
Basically, two people sit in seiza facing each other, uke grabs both your wrists, you do some stuff, uke falls over. Of course the "you do some stuff" part is the hard part to describe, and there are multiple variations, so you'd better ask someone to show you. At our dojo (also ASU), we usually do this at the end of class as a sort of cool down excercise, but the principles involved are generally said to be pretty fundamental to Aikido.
Hope that helps.

Peace,
Tom Newhall

Simbo
11-21-2005, 03:35 PM
Ahhh, that's where I've been messing up, the "you do some stuff" step *slaps forehead* It makes so much sense now. Everything makes sense now. People are going to have to call me O'Steve because of my new found insight. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
(I'm going to have to use that "you do some stuff" step in the future, priceless :D )

Mark Uttech
11-21-2005, 05:39 PM
It is also the technique known in many dojos as "Kokyu dosa". Hope this helps.

In gassho.

dj_swim
11-21-2005, 05:40 PM
Alright, I know exactly what you're talking about... yeah, I didn't realize it was a technique, I thought it was just an exercise.

I'm horrible at this... btw... don't know if anyone else caught on real quick when they started, but I'm super bad at it.... oh well... if I just practice "doing stuff" I should be fine :)

Thanks all!

-Doug

MaryKaye
11-21-2005, 11:31 PM
My observation is that the people who catch on real quick usually don't stay past six months; it's the struggling plodders who are still around after several years. So don't let that bother you.

We have this technique (we call it kokyu dosa) on *all* of our tests, the only technique that's on every test. My teachers give several reasons, but privately I think that it's because uke's ability to resist increases faster than nage's ability to throw, so it's one of the few techniques that get harder and harder as you gain experience, rather than easier!

I got to see my head instructor try kokyu dosa with a seventh dan uke. It's the only time I have ever seen her completely baffled. The guy seemed to have turned into a boulder.

Mary Kaye

dj_swim
11-21-2005, 11:40 PM
Ironically, we did this today in our training. I actually did alright, I'm not sure what it's called standing up, but we did some of that too... the only problem was that I kept wanting to spin uke around first (it's easier to absorb the energy of the attack, in my opinion), but that wasn't what we were practicing

Sensei: "It's not wrong, it's just different..."

So diplomatic... :)

-Doug

Karen Wolek
11-22-2005, 05:52 AM
LOL, Doug. Yeah, my sensei says, "It's not wrong, it's just not what we're doing..."

We do kokyu dosa/kokyu ho at the end of pretty much every class. From standing, it's kokyunage at my dojo, but easier to explain to newbies as "the same as kokyu dosa, only standing." The standing one can be way fun, once you can breakfall out of it.