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Saturn
11-01-2005, 06:40 AM
In Karate I once learned a mental focus feat. Sensei gave us all a paper with a title "1,000 BREAK IT DOWN TO EQUAL", and a spiral steel nail. He told us this was a homework assignment with which we were to take home and write four pages in four days of any and every mathematical equation we could think of that equals 1,000, at the same time we were to hold on to the nail with our free hand. Sensei told us that we were to try to understand the meaning of the nail, "the nail is the key to the answer"! he said. Nobody understood.

Four days passed, we all brought out papers back with the nails. Sensei looked at everyones papers to make sure we did the work and then the nail, he took turns telling us each we failed. This was silly we thought, what does the nail have to do with math? We began regular practice and sensei took one of the nails and sat down cross legged, and told us what to do. Sensei sat there to the side meditating for a while, we all watched him wondering what he was doing with the nail.

After about a half an hour he opened his eyes and stood up calling the class to stop, he showed us the nail he was holding, It was bent like a cresent moon " ( ". He told us that this was a feat of mental focus, when you are doing math you are meditating, with meditation comes sharp mental focus, bending a nail in your fist is relatively impossible otherwise, it is very hard and it hurts. When you are in deep meditaion you can bend it, and with expirience you could even bend a metal peg. Strength is not the objective meditation harvests strength and you apply that through your hands and crush the nail, but you should not strain, I can do it in about 15 min to a half an hour now he said, but to do this I had to practice for years.

I have to say that this exercise is a gauge for focus, the ability to bend a nail may have its uses in gripping a fist, but focus is needed to effectively perform all martial movements especially in Aikido. When masters say to practice meditation, and to try to understand and apply Ki you should really try.

P.S. In around an hour I to three I can noticibly warp a nail while doing hard breathing Zazen, but it will be a long time for me to bend a peg I'll tell ya. Don't belive me, look at those Hung Gar guys who can bend rebar and spears with thier throats. Apply Ki focus to all movements in Aikido, learn to, and imagine how awesome you will be able to perform.

Saturn
11-01-2005, 07:04 AM
On Zazen Breathing Meditation

I once read a story in a book called "Secrets of the Samurai" about a Buddhist monk who was of course a Zazen practitioner. I know and understand that great power can come from breathing couple with movements and force. The monk was said to have crossed like a mile to two mile long bridge on but one breath. In Zazen the idea is to learn to make your Hara your new lungs. After much practice the cool outdoor air you breathe into your lungs which you can feel fill them you WILL come to feel it enter your lower stomach. It almost feels like you have rewired your body and oxygen goes directly to your Hara.

Learning to prolong your breathing helps to control your breath in a aggressive encounter, to cut right through panic, and if you can comfortably prolong one breath for 3- 4 minutes imagine how powerful your movements will be to take a huge and powerful lung capacity and fire it out in a split second, there will be alot of power coming from your center and lungs. Also, prolonging breathing initially causes panic so go slow and grow in seconds through time, and measuring time can't help but make you more aware of your breath- which is a nessecity in encounter for relaxation I hear.

Saturn
11-01-2005, 07:08 AM
By the way anyone reading this please feel free to add or to respond.

SeiserL
11-01-2005, 09:25 AM
IMHO, nice palor tricks, but how does bending a nail help develop wisdom or compassion in the real world.

I have never tried to do Aikido while bending a nail, usually I just try not to hurt anybody too much.

How much of your training enviroment do you miss by focusing on the nail?

Eric_Aiki
11-01-2005, 09:54 AM
Sounds like spoonbending to me, to be honest.

Developing focus is good. In fact, its one of the primary reasons I train in Aikido. There are many ways to learn to meditate, although doing math while trying to bend a nail - without knowing youre supposed to try to bend the nail - sounds like, my opinion, dont be offended - a really lame exercise. Why not focus on the outcome? Why have distractions?

This reminds me of something I have noticed in personal trainers. There seem to be 2 types - some that take your focus away from the activity, by yelling, being obnoxious in general - and those that help you learn how to focus your energy on what you are doing. To me, thats aikido - focusing your energy, be it mental, physical, spiritual, or all at once - on the task at hand. The key is not in distraction, but applied focus. The zanzen that you speak of souns similar to this.

Ive done alot of meditation studies and practice prior to joining Aikido, I think it helps alot. 3 hours of meditation is impressive, not sure if applying it to nail bending is really going to get you far besides being that guy who can bend nails. Which is cool! Dont get me wrong, that is very impressivce, just not something I care to do or learn.

Just my opinion - I am just an unranked newbie, take that as you will.

Eric

James Davis
11-01-2005, 10:45 AM
IMHO, nice palor tricks, but how does bending a nail help develop wisdom or compassion in the real world.

I have never tried to do Aikido while bending a nail, usually I just try not to hurt anybody too much.

How much of your training enviroment do you miss by focusing on the nail?

How does tossing someone on the floor develope wisdom or compassion in the real world? :p
Sorry, Lynn. Just havin' a little fun with ya. ;)

I think they were actually supposed to NOT think about the nail, hence their karate sensei's math assignment. I think the whole point of bending the nail is the same as the point of breaking boards; it's just a way of opening a student's eyes and making them say, "Oh, I guess I can do that after all!" It's seems like just a different way to learn focus (on something besides the board or the nail) and feel empowered.

When in a randori, we practice so that we can deal gently with an uke while directing our MENTAL attention to the next uke. 'Just doin' the math, man, just doin' the math. :D

Saturn
11-01-2005, 12:09 PM
Personally i think your opinions are great, this is exactly what I'm looking for, I agree with all, who cares about the nail, it's just a nail. There is something to be learned from this though. This nail bending exersise is a great enigma of mind. I think that you can spend years trying to figure out if this is worth it, as I have, "What is the point" however when you realize you can't do it- it becomes interesting, it lets you know there really is something more you CAN gain. My old Sensei never said really what the point was or why it was so important, I guess it is just something anyone who tries it has to figure out themselves. I don't think it's the nail that matters, or the math, it's like there is a weaker part of the brain which you can learn to grow which is capable of subduing pain ignoring physical/mental limits, but I have to say before Aikido I do meditation in Zazen and after years of trying to bend a nail by applying mental focus to physical usage I can actually feel uke behind me in Randori. I suck at Randori, but, the one cool thing is that I know exactly where everyone is even against 5 ukes, that is a strength, even if i cannot SEE them because 2 or 3 are behind me.

James Davis
11-01-2005, 04:23 PM
I once had a student that wasn't very sure of her capabilities. I was just plain sick of hearing her say, "I can't do that." I just told her "I couldn't do it either when I started. The fact that I'm doing it now tells you that it can be done though, right?"
Once she conceded the possibilty that aikido could be learned, there was no reason for her to doubt that she could learn it too. From that night on, I made her knee-walk once around the room every time she used the phrase, "I can't." Her shiko waza improved considerably. ;)
Sometimes I wanna just grab negative people and shake them, screaming "YES YOU FREAKIN' CAN!!" :grr:

Thanks for the karate story, Saturn. :)

asiawide
11-01-2005, 06:55 PM
Why didn't people just use some tools to bend the nail? By using tools, one can do it much easier and still can concentrate. Using one's power smart. I think this is Aikido. Anyway your teacher was doing Karate. :)

Jaemin

Rupert Atkinson
11-02-2005, 06:26 PM
I have never tried to do Aikido while bending a nail, usually I just try not to hurt anybody too much.


Aikido might work rather well with a nail hidden in the hand ...

Steve Mullen
11-03-2005, 09:31 AM
Rupert i could kiss you, all along i was thinking the same thing

Saturn
11-05-2005, 05:31 AM
There is something very cool that I discovered a long time ago about Zazen meditation. In all the stories of the Samurai and the Buddhists of old Japan I have heard about the importance about the cultivation of strength in the Hara through breathing in Zazen, and how you come to undertand the subtleties and spiritual powers of the world around you. When I first began attempting meditation I was REALLY skeptical about this. These stories not only seemed far fetched but appeared to be 100% untrue, almost like the idea of being able to move objects with your mind, ridiculous. But, after months of doing Zazen everyday on a quest to discover what the big deal was I was able to see something.

With much practice I got very good at concentrating on one-point, and I was able to breathe at around 57-67 breaths per hour comfortably. In one session after about 10 minutes I would settle right into it and completey relax, my awarness would extend all around the room. Now then, in Zazen I keep my eyes open and let my eyes relax and fall to stare at the floor about three feet in front of me. In around twenty minutes into the sessions all of the sudden the carpet would start moving, it seemed alot like waves, but the carpet would erratically swirl in spots or reverse direction, very cool. This would occur simply because of the Zazen, and the contemplations were interesting.

In ancient feudal Japan you could imagine what the Samurai and Buddhists would think about this. To me a contemplation would be all objects have atoms, all atoms are in constant movement as well as molecules, in normal perception your mind is moving, and so you cannot see this because your mind is flowing at the same speed, so you need to learn to stop yourself before you can percieve the sublte movement of the world around you. Or perhaps through the cultivation of power and use during Zazen you become a bio-magnetic/electric powerhouse and create disruptive waves all around you on a sub-atomic level.

It seems to me that in times of far-fetched superstitions when people were being burned in other countries, the Japanese were exploring human potential, and in thier journies the stumbled across the effects of prolonged Zazen. Perhaps the effects are only from a complete overdose of oxygen, but to people in the old times there would be no science behind it, they would believe it is spiritual and not just contemplate the ideas. So on my own personal travels in this stuff I have discovered that the old stories may have more truth than we think, but we as a modern society don't burn witches or warlocks anymore because we don't believe such things so quickly.

Saturn
11-05-2005, 05:58 AM
I have heard some stories about people I guess transfusing thier Ki into trees to help them grow. I have also seen pictures of Morihei Ueshiba doing so. Now, I know people are skeptical about this, but, it doesen't matter if this is possible or not. Alot of what we do in Aikido is having the mind lead the body by what is called projecting Ki. And meditating in such a way as to try to project Ki into a tree might be very helpful. It is a very innocent exercise, and with practice, whether it is possible or not you will get the old Placebo effect and your mind may create sensations in your body when you visualize energy coming from your extended fingers into the tree or plant. With this effect you can't learn to identify how you can abruptly recreate these sensations and use it to project Ki in techniques.

roosvelt
11-09-2005, 05:56 PM
In around twenty minutes into the sessions all of the sudden the carpet would start moving, it seemed alot like waves, but the carpet would erratically swirl in spots or reverse direction, very cool. This would occur simply because of the Zazen, and the contemplations were interesting.




How interesting! I have similar experience when I have llucid dreams. Ad in some of my lucid dreams, especially in the sping ones, all the colours are very bright and primitive like in cartoon.

Do you think is that possible that you were "day dreaming"? I don't mean the normal type of "day dreaming", but in the lucid dream sense. Sometime, you can get out of your body. I did once. It scared me back into my body right away. I haven't been able to do it again. Maybe my mind is scared.

Maybe you can get into lucid dream by Zazen meditation. Some people in the Lucid dream groups speculated about it. But no body had the time, effort and patience to achieve that level of meditation. Maybe you can learn lucid dream technique, and start modify your vision. That would be fun.

roosvelt
11-09-2005, 06:06 PM
I just remember. Sleep paralysis is one of the ways to get into lucid dream. (it's not exactly a good method to induce lucid dreams). Basically, you sleep on your back with a pillow under your neck so your head tilt back. Sometimes you wake up because of short breath. But your body is still sleeping. Most people would panic and wake. If you remain calm, and try to go back to sleep, you can get into lucid dream state.

Do you think it's possilb that controlling breath can induce active sleep state?

Saturn
11-10-2005, 05:31 AM
Of course it is similar, breath control and awareness induces deep relaxation, and deep relaxation is found in sleep. The mind stops chattering and only sees, much like the reality of a dream. You may be right about the lucid state in Zazen. Sometimes it might take me 10 minutes to fall asleep if I command my thoughts to stop, and in Zazen it takes 10 - 15 minutes for the pleasent effects to occur. Though if anyone would like to try to see what it feels like to go into this deep state, try to achieve one breath per minute and put some time in, say 30 - 40 minutes for the first time. And this is not very hard, have faith that you can just depend on knowing that if you do have some time to experiment and are willing to learn to prolong your breath the effects will happen.

These effects I speak of are the first effects you will notice, as time and practice and breathing lasts even longer and you come to an understanding, more can be felt seen and learned

Erick Mead
11-10-2005, 08:54 AM
it might take me 10 minutes to fall asleep if I command my thoughts to stop, and in Zazen it takes 10 - 15 minutes for the pleasent effects to occur.

There is a danger recognized by the Ch'an/Zen schools from the first days in China on through Soto and Rinzai of "seeking" meditation as an experience or end for enjoyment in itself.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
It is just contrary to the use of zazen as a tool to a fundamentally larger purpose.

Cordially,
Erick Mead

roosvelt
11-10-2005, 10:17 AM
There is a danger recognized by the Ch'an/Zen schools from the first days in China on through Soto and Rinzai of "seeking" meditation as an experience or end for enjoyment in itself.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
It is just contrary to the use of zazen as a tool to a fundamentally larger purpose.

Erick Mead

Good point.

But I know someone (not me by any means) prefer to be strangulated to highlighten the climax during sex. Some teenages breath into a paper bag to get high. Some leather/rubber people wear leather/rubber mask or the real ones in the S&M party.

It seems it not breath that help meditation. But the main thing is to restrict air supply to the body while maintain calm. Our body will panic if there isn't enough air.

The monks like to build their temple in top of high mountains. The Tai Chi practioner practice very eary in the morning. Some taoist do it under water.

Why don't we just build a simple air tight room with devices to control O2 concentration.

Anyone has done this type of experiment?

Steve Mullen
11-10-2005, 10:28 AM
several people, you can find information of it a book entitled 'people who's home-made air tight rooms killed them' : )

roosvelt
11-10-2005, 01:06 PM
several people, you can find information of it a book entitled 'people who's home-made air tight rooms killed them' : )

If you're dead, who's talking here? :D

Please don't interupt a serious discussion unless you have something to add. evileyes

Karen Wolek
11-10-2005, 01:21 PM
From that night on, I made her knee-walk once around the room every time she used the phrase, "I can't." Her shiko waza improved considerably. ;)
Sometimes I wanna just grab negative people and shake them, screaming "YES YOU FREAKIN' CAN!!" :grr:


Gosh, if my sensei had done that to me, my shikko would be AMAZING by now!!! Three years of shikko everyday....wow. ;)

Kevin Masters
11-10-2005, 01:29 PM
there is no uh.. nail
Actually there is, Neo, you just stepped on it.

Buhhh...

Steve Mullen
11-11-2005, 04:15 AM
I watched an interesting programme on television last night which culminated with 5 people, who were 'specialists' in certain sences (a tea taster, an artist, a masseur etc), experiencing an hour in a sensory deprivation chamber, apparently the absence of all senses can have one of two effects on people, they either feel refreshed by the expeience or they feel a hightened sense of tention (apparently for some there is no effect at all)

To me meditation has a similar sort of ethos, by controling the breathing you can (i use the word grudgingly but i'm lost for another) dull the senses. In both cases the absence of external influence clears a huge section of your brain (set aside to deal with these) allowing other thoughts which have been 'compressed' to expand and fill this 'gap' in your mind. I really like the thought of this happening.

An interesting comparison can be using hypnosis to extract repressed memories. The hypnotist completely controls the other person's senses and allows their mind to be clear of them, allowing the space for the hypnotist to deposit the memories into.

Im not sure if i have actually made a point here or weather i have just rambled for a few paragraphs, either way i feel better for it and it got me out of a few minutes work. ; )

Saturn
12-15-2005, 03:52 PM
Lately when in deep Ki mediation, when I finally come to, my body reacts in a quick spasm like someone just jabbed me with a high voltage wire. This is strange, I am wondering why this happens. I believe it must have something to do with coming out of that deep a meditative relaxed state. Does anyone else get this effect? evileyes

roosvelt
12-15-2005, 09:31 PM
Lately when in deep Ki mediation, when I finally come to, my body reacts in a quick spasm like someone just jabbed me with a high voltage wire. This is strange, I am wondering why this happens. I believe it must have something to do with coming out of that deep a meditative relaxed state. Does anyone else get this effect? evileyes

No.

I'm guessing that you intetionally try to move your body before you fully awake. If my guess is correct, you can either come to more slowly or have external alram to wake you up fully.

Saturn
12-16-2005, 06:19 AM
Actually what i do is this, I close my eyes and of course put my hands on my stomach and visualize a red glowing energy at my Hara, and I just keep that in mind, and I stay under until I go into a deep state and end up coming out of it unintentionally. It works a bit like waking up without an alarm. This can last anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes if I'm not disturbed. Now try to understand that I have been doing this for a couple of years, I let go of trying to visualize and yet the mental belief that I have a glowing sphere in my stomach temporarily becomes a reality because I can now trick my mind. Then I go under, and I never know how long I'll stay under. And then something, perhaps the limits of my ability (that day) after perhaps 30 min comes and I just snap out of it and the way my body reacts is like spasing after hearing someone jump behind me and yelling to scare me. It's one quick full bodied shockwave.

I just want to know, does this mean I've just gotten really good at this, or is this notsogood. evileyes

roosvelt
12-16-2005, 08:28 AM
Actually what i do is this, I close my eyes and of course put my hands on my stomach and visualize a red glowing energy at my Hara, and I just keep that in mind, and I stay under until I go into a deep state and end up coming out of it unintentionally. It works a bit like waking up without an alarm. This can last anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes if I'm not disturbed. Now try to understand that I have been doing this for a couple of years, I let go of trying to visualize and yet the mental belief that I have a glowing sphere in my stomach temporarily becomes a reality because I can now trick my mind. Then I go under, and I never know how long I'll stay under. And then something, perhaps the limits of my ability (that day) after perhaps 30 min comes and I just snap out of it and the way my body reacts is like spasing after hearing someone jump behind me and yelling to scare me. It's one quick full bodied shockwave.

I just want to know, does this mean I've just gotten really good at this, or is this notsogood. evileyes

I've never stayed that long, so my ability is not up there yet. From what I've been reading from books and talking to other people, I think what you experienced is normal.

It's not an indication of your ability of "into" it. It's just you have never trained how to "get out" of it. It's a distraction to think about the ending even before beginning. An external device is helpful. In the temple, a bell is ring at fixed interval. Hearing the bell, you can decide either come out or stay in, then wait for the next bell. Of course you can train yourself to come out gradually whenever you want. It's harder though.


Another topic.

I think your ability is up to there now. Probably you want to try something more? I heard that someone can strech time and spend "days" , "weeks" and an extreme case "a life time" in a setting.

Sure, a lot of people against the idea of "trying" something new. They believe it'll come when you're ready. I somehow always think a person need a "guide" internally or externally. The hard part is to choose a guide wisely. It's said some "evil" guide will lead you to unholy places, especailly the internal guide.


Again, I don't have first hand experience. Once I wanted to talk a guide, who I believe is one. She gave me some answer I didn't understand. Apperantly, I wan't ready yet.


Take all my saying with a big grain of salt because of my limited ability. You may have better luck if you talk to the right forum.

roosvelt
12-16-2005, 08:45 AM
I forgot metioning. It that happen again. Don't fight it. Just calm down. Try to go back, then come out again. If you can't go back, it's OK. Just don't try to fight and try to come out. If you panic, it'll make it worse.

Rumor says, someone die from fighting it. I think it's purely speculation. If someone really died, how can others know the reason. You know, dead people don't talk.

I guess what they want to say is calm down, it'll go away.

Another possibility is your clothes weren't comfortable enough. Try somethin different. Then again, since you're super sensitive, your body would find something else to complain anyway.

roosvelt
12-16-2005, 08:50 AM
Another contrifactor is you might have a nerve injury that manifest itself thousand times during that stage. Coming out properly will solve this pain. But you may want to find the pain point to check if you have problem there. Try to remember where the pain started.

Mike Galante
12-29-2006, 08:56 AM
What the _____ does bending nails have to do with Aikido?
This is a destructive act.
Don't meditate to destroy!
There is way too much of you in your practice. Open your heart.
Love is more powerful than anything.
God bless you,
Happy Holidays.

Mike Galante
12-29-2006, 09:00 AM
You know my teacher used to say, one day a tibetian monk begain flying around the meditation hall, the next week he was in the circus.
All great yogis develop powers, but basically don't use them, all these things are maya, illusions, a trap. Get off the trian there and waste a few lifetimes.
Happy Holidays

Mike Galante
01-18-2007, 08:38 PM
Lately when in deep Ki mediation, when I finally come to, my body reacts in a quick spasm like someone just jabbed me with a high voltage wire. This is strange, I am wondering why this happens. I believe it must have something to do with coming out of that deep a meditative relaxed state. Does anyone else get this effect? evileyes

That's because you just charged your inner battery with high voltage energy. Be aware of your spine during zazen and when the energy expands in Tanden, let it flow up the spine (kundalini) to the top of the head where you leave it to "marinate" over time and ripen into cosmic consciousness in the crown chakra.
Ueshiba had a higher consciousness and spoke of uniting heaven and earth. So the upper centers must be opened too in order to achieve this.

Erik Calderon
01-23-2007, 06:55 AM
Trevor: You're a very good writer and have some very interesting points of view; especially the way you put in those twists about the samurai and being able to take one breath while crossing a bridge.

Have you ever thought about writing a book about Zazen and the Martial Arts?

aikido shinkikan
www.shinkikan.com

Saturn
02-28-2007, 05:10 PM
Trevor: You're a very good writer and have some very interesting points of view; especially the way you put in those twists about the samurai and being able to take one breath while crossing a bridge.

Have you ever thought about writing a book about Zazen and the Martial Arts?

aikido shinkikan
www.shinkikan.com

That was a very nice comment, Domo!evileyes

Saturn
03-16-2007, 05:43 AM
Third Eye Meditation

Ok, third eye meditation, nobody has three eye's, clear, great! However, I've discovered this. Lay down and chill out (Relax), put a penny between your eyebrows so you have something to focus your attention on. Close your eye's. Force your eyes to roll up and try to look at the penny with your eye's closed.

Think of it this way, test my theory by closing your eyes, look to the right with your eyes still closed, press the tip of your finger against the the corner of your closed right eyelid by where your nose bridge and brow meet but right in the socket, roll your finger slightly and you can see the little green light of your right pupil rolling around under your eyelid.

So again focus your closed eyes on the penny, as your relax deeper in meditation, you reach the alpha state, where as someone previously stated is like a lucid dream. The lights of your pupils beneath the lids will become visible an begin to slightly roll around as in rem sleep. Focus yet still on the penny. As your concentration builds the lights will begin to come closer together and finally halt together as an eclipse, (inner eyelids are reflective, when faint light shines through your eyelids it bounces off your eyeballs and relatively inevidently reflects the image of your eyeball back.

When the lights cross the reflection of both eyes appears as on and you can see an eyeball with your eyes closed, not quite normal, but it will happen.evileyes

Saturn
03-16-2007, 06:22 AM
Shall elaborate later. Ta!evileyes

Saturn
03-16-2007, 05:40 PM
Third Eye Meditation
When the lights cross the reflection of both eyes appears as on and you can see an eyeball with your eyes closed, not quite normal, but it will happen.evileyes

What I meant was, when the green lights, which are your pupils lenses begin to meet, the reflecting light bouncing back and forth behind your closed eyelids will reflect the image of both eyeballs as one. Translation, you will see an eyeball with your eyes closed.evileyes

Saturn
03-22-2007, 05:03 PM
Something I am interested in hearing about from people are thier views on state of mind, you know all that "no minded jazz"!

My view is thus, the mind is like a modem, there is cable and there is dial-up, to depend on thought is like a dial-up modem it takes time. However common everyday though involves conversing in your own mind "mental chatter" people tend to verbalize words or actions before they are preformed, this is slow.

The human mind can calculate 2+2 without counting in ones head, you just know what the answer is. Everyone can fight, it is instinct, whether physical or not. To to think is slow, what is the cure, it literally is after consistent meditation involving lower abdominal breathing of which will strengthen the muscles in the stomach which press against organs and such creating a sensation one can focus on.

To focus ones mind on keeping ones fists closed or on another point such as the Hara one cannot think while acting, one can only act. This results in faster decision making. After all as my former teacher said, a masterful sword fight might last an average of .20 seconds. It is about action not thought, thought is a plague of mind.evileyes

Mike Galante
03-23-2007, 10:34 AM
My sentiments exactly, well put, Trevor.

DivinePrincess
04-08-2007, 02:56 PM
Wow, that was quite a lesson.

I can tell you all have been studying this for a while.

It's going to be nice learning from you all.

Tijani1150
04-10-2007, 01:41 AM
Lately when in deep Ki mediation, when I finally come to, my body reacts in a quick spasm like someone just jabbed me with a high voltage wire. This is strange, I am wondering why this happens. I believe it must have something to do with coming out of that deep a meditative relaxed state. Does anyone else get this effect? evileyes

Yeh this happens to me when I do my sufi practises/prayers call em what you like.

mike.quinn@fsmail.net
04-10-2007, 12:43 PM
There is something very pure about aikido, and just observing from the mat I realised this as a novice. It sparked an interest in the culture it came from and from this point I learned about meditation. In medidation we learn to abandon our day to day thoughts and clear our minds and allow the natural state of our peaceful mind to regain the centre. Like aikido this is not easy. It takes practice. but the martial advantage of a clear mind is you focus on the situation in hand and not the outcome such as fear or anticipation. Clarity is the aim which assists your actions. If you can keep a clear mind it is beneficial in areas of our life , not just in the dojo, or outside. The samurai realised this and trained their minds as well as in technique. In a multiple attack we all come undone because we think too much. It makes us rigid and slow, so knowing that this happens I would endorse anyones decision to look into this tried and tested method of training. Go along to a meditation class, find a good teacher, I'm sure you will find it interesting.
Hope this helps.

Mike.

Mark Uttech
04-15-2007, 07:05 AM
This my be a bit off topic, but on my last birthday when I was presented with a birthday cake with 54 candles, I blew out 52 on the first try. That says something for breath meditation, which I do daily.

In gassho,

Mark

Chuck Clark
04-15-2007, 07:23 AM
Mark, I turned sixty a few weeks ago and in a similar vein blew out all sixty candles in one gusty breath... no doubt, in my mind, to years of pranayama and vocal music exercises... but then someone's comment quickly added a slightly different view... "Wow, this proves it... we knew you full of hot air!"

Most likely, both are true.