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roosvelt
10-21-2005, 01:57 PM
I've read quite a few chinese Kong Fu fictions. One of the books describe the deferent development stage of a swordsman.

1. Body/mind and sword be one.

where your sword is, your body/mind is there too. You're a good swordsman.

2. No sword in hand.

You don't need a sword in your hand. Any thing in your hand is a weapon. You can kill with tree branch, pencil and your bare hand. You're a excellent swordsman.

3. Body/mind is the word.

You're the sword. Need I say more?

4. No sword in the heart.

The highest level a swordsman can achieve. You can't be defected in this stage.

I suspect O'sensei realized the highest level of martial art. I doubt many Aikido yudansha achieve this level. But many talk and practice like they're in the highest level.

I suspect they haven't got to the basic level 1. The talks about love, harmony and fancy techniques make outsiders about the martial effectiveness of Aikido.


Disclaimer: I'm new to Aikido. My understanding is laughable.

mathewjgano
10-21-2005, 05:56 PM
Well, I'd say there are certainly common themes throughout the martial arts. The beauty with abstract concepts like the ones you listed is that the mind can creatively apply them...that is, imagination and creativity go hand in hand with making sense of them.
Not quite sure what your message was about the yudansha talking about love and fancy technique. If you're saying Aikido technique is overly fancy, based on my personal experience, I'd have to disagree. Many people criticize the big circular movement we often practice with, but don't seem to understand that if you tighten those circles up, the effect is rather profound.
As for your analogy, I can't speak to the hierarchy. It seems to me much of what you decribed happens all at once. As we develop proficiency with the sword, we're developing proficiency with our body, of which the sword is but a tool.
Thinking about things like this is more fun than practical, though. It's good to exercise the mind and get it to think outside the box, but, speaking from a certain amount of experience in this regard, it's certainly no comparison to actually training.
Gambatte!
Matt

Chuck.Gordon
10-22-2005, 11:08 AM
If you want to know about aikido's relationship with the sword, study the Japanese sword and not Chinese 'kung fu' fictions. The relationship is complex, but can be studied.