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Jiawei
08-10-2005, 08:26 AM
Has Aikido given you a purpose in life ? A sense of direction : that Aikido is all you ever wanted and all you would ever want to do over and over in this life ? Have you ever thought of even being an uchi deshi at the hombu dojos and dreamed of having a close bunch of fellow deshis to share your life with ? :ai: :ki: :do:

happysod
08-10-2005, 09:25 AM
Has Aikido given you a purpose in life ? nope
A sense of direction : that Aikido is all you ever wanted and all you would ever want to do over and over in this life ? - I have a life, aikido is a part of it Have you ever thought of even being an uchi deshi at the hombu dojos and dreamed of having a close bunch of fellow deshis to share your life with I shower alone and avoid all cults with new "gettaway ya booger" hair tonic

Sorry, while I find your enthusiasm engaging, the lack on any critical thinking implied by your post rather worrying. Aikido is not there to fill a gap in your life, it should (at best) be there to enhance it in some way. May I suggest trying sex and alcohol first - cheap and potentially sleazy options which normally lead to life ennobling choices or long term angst, either of which have (historically) at least bring forth awesome music.

Mats Alritzson
08-10-2005, 09:27 AM
I think you should be very careful not to let one interest define your whole life. If you for some reason would have to quit doing Aikido you would be lost. Even Osensei practiced Omoto kyo parallel to Aikido.

Charles Hill
08-10-2005, 05:15 PM
Even Osensei practiced Omoto kyo parallel to Aikido.

Hi Mats,

It is very clear that to O'Sensei, Aikido was his expression of Omoto Kyo. In Omoto Kyo, adherents are encouraged to become artists in art forms that appeal to them or in which they have some natural talent. For Morihei Ueshiba it was the martial arts. This is why he claimed that what he was doing had no relation to Daito Ryu or any other martial art.

Charles Hill

Mats Alritzson
08-10-2005, 05:24 PM
Charles.

Did you have to spoil the point I tried to make? ;)

/Mats

Jiawei
08-10-2005, 11:48 PM
Hey Guys ,

the only reason why I asked this question is simply becasue I remember a sensei saying how he has lost the purpose in his life when Japan lost the war. Then he found Aikido..... I caouldn't remember his name or where the article is anymore which is why I did not mention this in my first post.you read too much into my post. And its not very nice to suggest I am under some kind of cult influence. For the info I have not practiced Aikido for 2 years although I plan to after my studies.

AND I AM NOT STUPID. What is this nonsense about the lack of intellectual content of mty first post. Can't I just pose a question out of curiosity if there were any who view aikido as their purpose in life ? Can't I just be curious if there would still be any who would want to be Uchi Deshi ?

MIND YOUR WORDS.

Jiawei
08-10-2005, 11:50 PM
And, if you want to argue about cultic, why don;t you look at the more abstract topics being discussed like "waht is KI" or just look at this website with Osensei's dokas . And Mark, you can't even get your facts right and both you and the other guy who replied me wants to argue about intellect ? So I guess you're saying this whole thread on spirituality is under cultic influence ? Why don't you compare and contrast before you comment Ian. Not to say that they are cultic, but you are labelling my thread.....Oh let me guess, you applied Zan shin and figured that my motive out ..heh

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 12:08 AM
And its only because I'm typing fast that there are spelling errors.

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 12:16 AM
Ai Ki DO . Do = way . Way means way of life.

Translate : Way of living AI KI. AI KI is your goal your PURPOSE. Yes do check this thread too.
How dou YOU incorporate Aikido in Daily life?

Just to answer my critics , Mr Ian and Mark. :mad:

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 12:54 AM
And one final word to Ian :

Let us hypothesize : not that it is true but let us say for this instance, for the sake of the argument : So what if I do sincerely want to make Aikido my purpose for living rather than sex and booze ?

So what ? You mean I can't use my resources and education to invest it in studying Aikido while taking care of my family ? So what if I do desire to be Uchi Deshi ? Earn my living and use the money to go to Japan to train ? So what ? Who made you God Ian ?

Here is me appealing to your emotion (Pathos) and your logic (Logos) : Its better to have some goal, purpose and direction in your life than to have none. And here is my refute to your post : Besides Martial Arts being martial, they are DO's . Some of them at least. And why do you think they created Dos rather than stick with Jitsu ? May I suggest a sense of purpose in life ? In the case of AI KI DO , in the vernacular that everybody is familiar with : The purpose is to discover the true Budo - Aiki. In Karate, there is the school Kyo Ku Shin, ultimate truth. Their purpose when sparring and practising their art is obviously to discover Ultimate Truth in life.
And what of Ken DO and Ju DO and all the other DOS ?

So coming back to the post which you criticized as having no "critical thinking" and our hypothesis : You are seriously not just criticizing me but indirectly the whole history of Aiki DO. So I leave you with my introduction inquisitive (at the end of this argument) : SO WHAT OF I DO MAKE AIKIDO THE PURPOSE OF MY LIFE ? This question goes to Ian Hurst not the Aikido community online. Exactly, none of your so called intellectual business.

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 02:16 AM
How old were you when you began the practice of Aikido, and how did you find it?

I was 17, right after World War II ended. I wanted to help my country after its defeat by the U.S. I had returned from training to be a kamikaze pilot, and Japan had surrendered before I could fly my suicide mission. This sense of loss overwhelmed me, and I was searching for a purpose in life.
From:
Aikido Online : http://www.aikidoonline.com/
Interview With Akira Tohei Shihan, copyright 1998
So, now that loose ends are tied up, back to my question . Has anybody ever felt that Aikido gave them a sense of purpose and direction in life ?

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 02:57 AM
And one final word to Ian :

Let us hypothesize : not that it is true but let us say for this instance, for the sake of the argument : So what if I do sincerely want to make Aikido my purpose for living rather than sex and booze ?

So what ? You mean I can't use my resources and education to invest it in studying Aikido while taking care of my family ? So what if I do desire to be Uchi Deshi ? Earn my living and use the money to go to Japan to train ? So what ? Who made you God Ian ?

Here is me appealing to your emotion (Pathos) and your logic (Logos) : Its better to have some goal, purpose and direction in your life than to have none. And here is my refute to your post : Besides Martial Arts being martial, they are DO's . Some of them at least. And why do you think they created Dos rather than stick with Jitsu ? May I suggest a sense of purpose in life ? In the case of AI KI DO , in the vernacular that everybody is familiar with : The purpose is to discover the true Budo - Aiki. In Karate, there is the school Kyo Ku Shin, ultimate truth. Their purpose when sparring and practising their art is obviously to discover Ultimate Truth in life.
And what of Ken DO and Ju DO and all the other DOS ?

So coming back to the post which you criticized as having no "critical thinking" and our hypothesis : You are seriously not just criticizing me but indirectly the whole history of Aiki DO. So I leave you with my introduction inquisitive (at the end of this argument) : SO WHAT OF I DO MAKE AIKIDO THE PURPOSE OF MY LIFE ? This question goes to Ian Hurst not the Aikido community online. Exactly, none of your so called intellectual business.

Sorry, what I meant was none of Ian Hurst's so called intellectual business.

happysod
08-11-2005, 03:40 AM
Hilarious, thanks for the read. I wish you every success in making a mountain out of a molehill.

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 04:00 AM
Hilarious, thanks for the read. I wish you every success in making a mountain out of a molehill.

You're welcome . :p

Dirk Hanss
08-11-2005, 04:51 AM
Hi Jiawei,
I cannot speak for Ian, so it is just my view. Some of us - including me - have a special kind of humour and sometimes forget that not everything here is under the humor section. You are right telling us that do not share our kind of fun.

But do not take any of us too seriously.
Maybe if you extract the simple information, you can read some advice. Regardsless if it is what you want to read, think about it and make up your own decision, as no one here is God.

Well back to the track.
Personally, yes Aikido has given me a purpose for my life. Mostly in the sense that try to learn from the "Way of Harmonized Energies" - I know it is a bad translation, I just could't get it better right now - and apply it or some of it to the rest of my life. Aikido as practicing is great, but not a goal for me by itself.

And no Aikido is not everything, I want to do. I love my family and I love my job. So there are other things I want to do. And ven if i would have much more time, I would maybe some of them for windsurfing -can improve your balance, physically and mentally,too - or others. Well, somehow it is a "sex-and-drug-and-rock'n-roll" argument, if you want to point it out to extreme.

And again yes, being an uchi-deshi for 3 month, 6 month or a year would be great. At the moment it is not possible for me, and i do not know, if they would take a mid-40s either. I jut take it as a dream. If somehow everything is prepared, I might even have a try.

And my advice is also a warning. If you want to make aikido become everything in your life, the one and only purpose, you might look forward to a great life of harmony. But it is an unstable harmony. Any accident inside or outside the dojo can change your chances for ever. There are good examples that that need not stop your aikido practice in total, but probabilty does not show evidence that it will still can be the only thing you are doing then.

Do only aikido, become sensei, have your own dojo. What happens, if people do not want to pay enough for you to live? What if your students do not share your empathy and just want to come for fun? What if living together with other uch-deshi is not what you expected?

You may be disappointed and you should prepared. And you always should have a plan B.

Have a lot of fun. Maybe we meet sometimes on the mat.

Cordially Dirk

Bridge
08-11-2005, 06:58 AM
I am possibly far too young to have a valid opinion here, it's getting into the realms of spirituality, psychology, your upbringing etc., anyway...

Could it be that aikido or your enthusiasm for, be a manfestation of what your existing goals/needs are in life? (Whether you are conscious of them or not?)

And would it apply to any other pursuit or interest?

Does aikido (or any other activity) provide you with a tangible set of ideas, ideals and targets that satisfy your intellectual, social (etc.,) needs that you have been previously unable to identify?

Sorry, I seem to be throwing in more questions than answers.

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 07:08 AM
Hi Jiawei,
I cannot speak for Ian, so it is just my view. Some of us - including me - have a special kind of humour and sometimes forget that not everything here is under the humor section. You are right telling us that do not share our kind of fun.

But do not take any of us too seriously.
Maybe if you extract the simple information, you can read some advice. Regardsless if it is what you want to read, think about it and make up your own decision, as no one here is God.

Well back to the track.
Personally, yes Aikido has given me a purpose for my life. Mostly in the sense that try to learn from the "Way of Harmonized Energies" - I know it is a bad translation, I just could't get it better right now - and apply it or some of it to the rest of my life. Aikido as practicing is great, but not a goal for me by itself.

And no Aikido is not everything, I want to do. I love my family and I love my job. So there are other things I want to do. And ven if i would have much more time, I would maybe some of them for windsurfing -can improve your balance, physically and mentally,too - or others. Well, somehow it is a "sex-and-drug-and-rock'n-roll" argument, if you want to point it out to extreme.

And again yes, being an uchi-deshi for 3 month, 6 month or a year would be great. At the moment it is not possible for me, and i do not know, if they would take a mid-40s either. I jut take it as a dream. If somehow everything is prepared, I might even have a try.

And my advice is also a warning. If you want to make aikido become everything in your life, the one and only purpose, you might look forward to a great life of harmony. But it is an unstable harmony. Any accident inside or outside the dojo can change your chances for ever. There are good examples that that need not stop your aikido practice in total, but probabilty does not show evidence that it will still can be the only thing you are doing then.

Do only aikido, become sensei, have your own dojo. What happens, if people do not want to pay enough for you to live? What if your students do not share your empathy and just want to come for fun? What if living together with other uch-deshi is not what you expected?

You may be disappointed and you should prepared. And you always should have a plan B.

Have a lot of fun. Maybe we meet sometimes on the mat.

Cordially Dirk

Hi Dirk,

no. I don't want to make Aikido the only thing in my life. Like I mentioned previously, its just a curiosity that springs from my mind and my question is for anybody , not because I want to make Aikido the purpose of my life.

I was curious if anybody had this train of thought-to make Aikido the sole goal of his life. This curiosity was sparked by reading the article I mentioned in one of my previous posts. So when I saw that Ian said it was void of critical thinking and Mark following a similar train of thought, I got mad. But you're right, it might just have been a humourous quip.

Thanks Dirk, for your reply. :)

Paul Smith
08-11-2005, 07:10 AM
What I find troubling is not Jiawei's enthusiasm, or implied fervor, or even fanaticism, if that is how folks want to frame it, but the rampant cynicsm posted in reply.

I think that we in modernity, generally, and we in the west, specifically, have forgotten what it is to give over a life to a guru. Or a Sensei. It is the definition of living as uchideshi, and it is a good path.

If you seek this experience, and wish to live this way, in a world replete with alienation - godspeed, unleash the desire and go, fully.

Paul

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 07:12 AM
I am possibly far too young to have a valid opinion here, it's getting into the realms of spirituality, psychology, your upbringing etc., anyway...

Could it be that aikido or your enthusiasm for, be a manfestation of what your existing goals/needs are in life? (Whether you are conscious of them or not?)

And would it apply to any other pursuit or interest?

Does aikido (or any other activity) provide you with a tangible set of ideas, ideals and targets that satisfy your intellectual, social (etc.,) needs that you have been previously unable to identify?

Sorry, I seem to be throwing in more questions than answers.

No Bridget, no one is too young to have her/his views taken in account. Possibly what you said is true. When Akira Tohei Shihan lost his purpose after Japanese defeat in WW2, it could be that Aikido was there at the right time. What if Aikido was not available but a job....you're right. Some people take their occupations as their sole purpose. Thus the term workaholic...hee

Bridge
08-11-2005, 07:53 AM
No Bridget, no one is too young to have her/his views taken in account. Possibly what you said is true. When Akira Tohei Shihan lost his purpose after Japanese defeat in WW2, it could be that Aikido was there at the right time. What if Aikido was not available but a job....you're right. Some people take their occupations as their sole purpose. Thus the term workaholic...hee

And workaholics are often regarded as people with no real life outside work and possibly unhealthy...

As for the original question, aikido doesn't give me a purpose in life, just one of many happy distractions while I carry on living my life. Along with all the other things Ian Hurst approves of! :D

I notice on the original question that being an uchi deshi and being with other deshi was mentioned as something to yearn for. Well, that is really being with like minded people and helping each other to develop, striving to be the best that you can be, which I would consider a personal purpose (among many) and aikido would be just a vehicle for it.

Charles Hill
08-11-2005, 08:03 AM
Did you have to spoil the point I tried to make?

Any time, my friend, any time.:)

Anyway, seriously, we would probably do well to remember O'Sensei's total dedication to Aikido was not without cost. According to Kisshomaru Sensei, his father did not spend much time with his family. There were definitely issues and Morihei Ueshiba probably should not be considered a complete role model. I encourage everyone to learn about Rinjiro Shirata, one of O'Sensei's pre and post war students. Shirata Sensei was a Budo genius and he worked for an insurance company practically up until he passed away.

Charles

Paul Smith
08-11-2005, 08:46 AM
Any time, my friend, any time.:)

Anyway, seriously, we would probably do well to remember O'Sensei's total dedication to Aikido was not without cost. According to Kisshomaru Sensei, his father did not spend much time with his family. There were definitely issues and Morihei Ueshiba probably should not be considered a complete role model. I encourage everyone to learn about Rinjiro Shirata, one of O'Sensei's pre and post war students. Shirata Sensei was a Budo genius and he worked for an insurance company practically up until he passed away.

Charles

Actually, I think both things are possible - live in the world, fully, and give oneself fully to a teacher or a way. In fact, this is one of the things which most struck me about Toyoda Shihan, who lived fully as a resident in the intense experience of Ichikukai misogi training - for three years, living and training zen, a distinctively severe version of misogi training, as well as Aikido at Hombu Dojo, all while earning his law degree. It was important to him that his uchideshi learn a similar world view. But it was equally important to him that his uchideshi understood that they entered into a singular, selfless relationship with him once becoming uchideshi - and all else was secondary.

I therefore don't think the two notions - devote oneself fully to an art, and devote oneself fully to things of the world - are in conflict. In fact, I think this is a flowering of the zen ideal.

Paul

JohnDavis
08-11-2005, 11:40 PM
Fascinating thread folks. Jiawei, your story of your beginnings in Aikido are very interesting. I am glad you found Aikido instead of a mission as a Kamakazi. One of my great uncles was on a battleship in the Pacific and they had quite a few attacks to fend off. I would not like it if he or one of his shipmates had to shoot you down.

Does Aikido give me purpose in my life? Sure, but so does my wife, my children and my church and community. It is all a part of life, as I choose to live it. Would my life have as much purpose without Aikido? Probably. It has been some time since I could practice regularly in a dojo so I can't say that missing that comaradery and environment would make me feel bad, as I am already missing it, but feel ok about myself.

I would say that Aikido has informed my life and helped me realize a greater value to life and the things I have in it. Unlike some people who live for their jobs (like many Real Estate Agents and Brokers I know), Aikido is not MY life. It is, however, one of the parts that makes life fun.

I am glad that you found a purpose in Aikido, Jiawei, I truly am. O Sensei's art is truly a gift to the universe.

Jiawei
08-11-2005, 11:51 PM
Fascinating thread folks. Jiawei, your story of your beginnings in Aikido are very interesting. I am glad you found Aikido instead of a mission as a Kamakazi. One of my great uncles was on a battleship in the Pacific and they had quite a few attacks to fend off. I would not like it if he or one of his shipmates had to shoot you down.

Does Aikido give me purpose in my life? Sure, but so does my wife, my children and my church and community. It is all a part of life, as I choose to live it. Would my life have as much purpose without Aikido? Probably. It has been some time since I could practice regularly in a dojo so I can't say that missing that comaradery and environment would make me feel bad, as I am already missing it, but feel ok about myself.

I would say that Aikido has informed my life and helped me realize a greater value to life and the things I have in it. Unlike some people who live for their jobs (like many Real Estate Agents and Brokers I know), Aikido is not MY life. It is, however, one of the parts that makes life fun.

I am glad that you found a purpose in Aikido, Jiawei, I truly am. O Sensei's art is truly a gift to the universe.

Hi John, hey , that wasn't my story -that was Akira Tohei Sensei's beginnings from Aikido online ! :eek: Haha !! No Aikido is not my sole goal for living . This ....I've explained in several threads earlier....the question of Aikido as being the purpose of life sparked curiousity in me because I read the interview with Sensei Tohei from Aikido online...hee. I don't intend to be Uchi Deshi. Not yet at least. :D

RebeccaM
08-12-2005, 12:07 AM
I think that we in modernity, generally, and we in the west, specifically, have forgotten what it is to give over a life to a guru. Or a Sensei. It is the definition of living as uchideshi, and it is a good path.

Not quite true. Grad students all over are given over to their advisors. Even in my case, where my advisor is, in addition to being talented, a genuinely decent human being, it's no picnic. And for those of my peers who have advisors who are just plain cruel...:(

Aikido hasn't given my life meaning. It's added meaning maybe, and certainly given me tools to solve my problems with (and no, I'm not talking about yonkyo, though for some problems it's tempting), but aikido is not my reason for being.

JohnDavis
08-12-2005, 12:07 AM
Hi John, hey , that wasn't my story -that was Akira Tohei Sensei's beginnings from Aikido online ! :eek: Haha !! No Aikido is not my sole goal for living . This ....I've explained in several threads earlier....the question of Aikido as being the purpose of life sparked curiousity in me because I read the interview with Sensei Tohei from Aikido online...hee. I don't intend to be Uchi Deshi. Not yet at least. :D

Doh! I don't know of Akira Tohei Sensei. Is he related to Koichi Tohei Sensei? If so, I'm certainly glad he found Aikido (but no more then if he is not related). Still, it was a great question.

You never know about rank in Aikido. Personally, I never practice with an eye on a rank, just for fun. :) Who knows, you may become an Uchi Deshi some day . ;)

Sonja2012
08-12-2005, 01:38 AM
I think you should be very careful not to let one interest define your whole life.

Mats, even though I see where you are coming from, I must say that I am a bit fed with people telling others not to be enthusiastic (which is possibly not what you meant anyway, but that is how comments like that get accross to me - no offense meant). When I first started aikido I wanted to practice more than just twice a week and was told "oh no, don´t practice so much, it is not good for you". Duh??? Would they say that to an uchi deshi, too? Why on earth is it a bad thing to be enthusistic, to really enjoy something so much that you want to do it every day (uh.... okay, I admit that this depends heavily on the activity and on the question whether any kind of addiction is involved :) ).
I guess there are different paths for different people and if somebody wanted to go out and spend the rest of their life practicing aikido because it actually *does* give meaning to their life, then what the heck?! What´s so bad about that?

Kind regards,
Sonja

Ian Upstone
08-12-2005, 02:07 AM
There are far worse things we could be doing with our time.

When I see groups of young'uns hanging around in town centres, either bored or trying to intimidate people, I reckon they'd be better off throwing each other around on a mat somewhere!

Give them some direction other than to the off license.

Mats Alritzson
08-12-2005, 02:24 AM
Sonja, I often come across like a besserwisser telling people to do this and that when I only want to share my beliefs and thoughts. I'm used to it so no offense taken. And it is only that, a friendly advice. I can't tell you what to do with your life. I can only tell you what I would do in a similar situation. Why would I ever want to criticize someone, what would I gain from that?

Regards,
Mats

Sonja2012
08-12-2005, 06:19 AM
Mats, that´s alright. No harm done, no offense taken :) Glad we got that sorted ;)

Regards,
Sonja

PS: besserwisser

I am impressed by how many German words have entered the English language :) Unfortunately they all seem to be words for "negative" stuff, like Besserwisser, Blitzkrieg, Angst and Achtung. Weird, that... :sorry: Sorry, that was completely OT

Paul Smith
08-12-2005, 06:39 AM
Not quite true. Grad students all over are given over to their advisors. Even in my case, where my advisor is, in addition to being talented, a genuinely decent human being, it's no picnic. And for those of my peers who have advisors who are just plain cruel...:(

Aikido hasn't given my life meaning. It's added meaning maybe, and certainly given me tools to solve my problems with (and no, I'm not talking about yonkyo, though for some problems it's tempting), but aikido is not my reason for being.

Rebecca, having spent some time as a grad student (phD program, UC Berkeley), I well understand you.

At least in my experience, however, while it may have been rigorous, it was not a guru relationship, because my job as a grad student was quite the opposite from my job as an uchideshi. For the former, I was encouraged, it was even demanded of me, to think critically, to build arguments, to pose theories. For the latter, it was absolutely the construct for me to learn to get out of the way fully, do what I could to empty myself, my ego, my everything, and to in essence steal my Teacher's mind, rather than posit my own perspective.

In my experience, it is inherent to the guru-apprentice relationship that before true learning can take place, absolute acceptance and trust in, and obedience to, the teacher has to be a given. And I think this is foreign to we in the west, and we in modernity.

I am talking about an experience where every mode of your life -how and when you sleep; how and when you prepare meals and how and when you eat; how you relate, learn from, and teach other students; how you put nails in drywall, vacuum floors, clean toilets; how in short you do everything - is an opportunity for direct teaching, under a severity designed to prevent lighting down. In fact, I felt at sea virtually the entire time I lived as uchideshi. But it hit home with me when, prior to beginning my term, Sensei said, "you live this, you can learn anything." I think he was right, and I think this is the key difference between this kind of teaching and the teaching I knew formerly. Much of the path was not the accretion of knowledge, but the destruction of rigidly held beliefs and habits.

Paul

Paul Smith
08-12-2005, 06:42 AM
Mats, that´s alright. No harm done, no offense taken :) Glad we got that sorted ;)

Regards,
Sonja

PS:

I am impressed by how many German words have entered the English language :) Unfortunately they all seem to be words for "negative" stuff, like Besserwisser, Blitzkrieg, Angst and Achtung. Weird, that... :sorry: Sorry, that was completely OT

One word, peerless in its excellence: BIER. (at least that's how I "say" it). :D

Kevin Leavitt
08-12-2005, 03:02 PM
Fahrfenugen :)

danke...danke sehr viel!

Sonja2012
08-13-2005, 03:26 AM
Fahrvergnügen and Bier? So apart from Blitzkrieg we Germans are known for cars and booze? Thanks guys, that has made me feel much better :D

Sorry, promise to stay on topic in the future... ;)

Mashu
08-13-2005, 07:47 AM
You forgot lederhosen and cuckoo clocks.

As far as Aikido being a sole purpose in life I think that would be very un-aiki like.

giriasis
08-13-2005, 10:39 AM
Food, too, Sonja. -- Frankfurters (hot dogs) and sauerkraut.

and Names...

My mothers maiden name is Groover (Gruber -- with umlauts over the "u").

markwalsh
08-13-2005, 03:47 PM
Opinion: Aikido is how you get places, not where you get to.

Re the German connection - As I understand it, English is primarily a Germanic language (Eg, volk - folk) due to the Anglo Saxon heritage of most of the English - with a little French corruption ;)

I also heard that in the early days of the USA, English was only chosen over German as the countries official language by one vote. Might be true?

Mark

Sonja2012
08-15-2005, 01:45 AM
I also heard that in the early days of the USA, English was only chosen over German as the countries official language by one vote. Might be true?


I actually read somewhere that this was when the world´s leading countries voted over what would be the "world language". My husband (English, living in Germany and still struggling with the German genders and cases) says the world has no idea of how lucky we all are that it didn´t happen. German can be a b#?%ch sometimes :)

Anne Marie, so you´ve got German heritage?

guest89893
08-15-2005, 04:48 PM
Has Aikido given you a purpose in life ? A sense of direction : that Aikido is all you ever wanted and all you would ever want to do over and over in this life ?
Yes.

Of course felt the same way about music, teaching, and most importantly my family. Because Aikido is a part of my life it adds purpose to my life. It gives a sense of direction or perhaps better stated it clarifies the direction I am going. During summer months I spend more time on the Aikido boards and during the school year more time on teaching websites. Most times though I am training and hopefully it is a postive influence on those I train with and those I love. In regards to the Aikido class that I teach, I spend a huge amount of time before class just thinking about the class. And let's not forget my wife's second most spoken words to me, no wait that would be "I love you" The first most spoken phrases to me are "Stop hitting that or stop trying to put the steering wheel in IKKYO and just drive."
But you see I was the same way about playing the guitar, their were those who played for fun & at friends parties and then their were those of us who played professionally, in which it was a passion and an obsession. Same is true for me regarding Aikido. But that's just me.
regards,
Gene

Erick Mead
08-16-2005, 02:42 PM
I actually read somewhere that this was when the world´s leading countries voted over what would be the "world language". My husband (English, living in Germany and still struggling with the German genders and cases) says the world has no idea of how lucky we all are that it didn´t happen. German can be a b#?%ch sometimes :)

Anne Marie, so you´ve got German heritage?

It has been said that English is a Germanic pidgin spoken with a Welsh accent, bastard grammar and a Latin inferiority complex. :D

Cheers
Erick Mead

mathewjgano
08-23-2005, 05:48 PM
Has Aikido given you a purpose in life ? A sense of direction : that Aikido is all you ever wanted and all you would ever want to do over and over in this life ? Have you ever thought of even being an uchi deshi at the hombu dojos and dreamed of having a close bunch of fellow deshis to share your life with ? :ai: :ki: :do:

I can't say Aikido gave me my over-all purpose in life. It was my purpose in life which essentially gave me Aikido as a paradigm through which to exercise and refine its manifestation. To me Aikido is a name I found which describes my idealized sense of how to live. I have thought about trying to be an uchideshi, but now that would be impractical for me to do for any large amount of time.
Take care,
Matt

mathewjgano
08-23-2005, 05:50 PM
It has been said that English is a Germanic pidgin spoken with a Welsh accent, bastard grammar and a Latin inferiority complex. :D

Cheers
Erick Mead

Erick! That was the funniest thing I've read in a while! Thanks for that great laugh! Coincidentally, I think it's a case of being funny 'cause it's true!
Take care!
Matt

Orobbin
08-30-2005, 01:19 AM
why you say aikido is your purpose in life is because it may be your only spiritual outlet....

many people have different way to fulfill them selves it just seems simply put that this is your way of connecting back to that spiritual source of life...

Mannix Moya
05-17-2010, 05:45 AM
Hmm..its been quite a while since my last post

For me, aikido and other martial arts in general mirror life..discipline..timing..control..self mastery etc.

There are times that I was able to manage heated/passionate office discussions using what I learned on the mat.. (no I didn't throw them around:p ). Rather, I was able to influence the discussion to a win-win situation. However, I'm still learning and trying to improve everyday.

This is how aikido works for me, I can't say its true for others. But in my life, it is:)

Anita Dacanay
05-17-2010, 01:08 PM
I think that Jiawei has posed a very interesting and valid question. People practice Aikido for many reasons, I am often told. For me, Aikido is many things, but it is definitely a spiritual practice.

In that regard, I would think that a passionate devotion to Aikido, i.e. a life dedicated to Aikido, would be a noble thing indeed. My personal goal, although I am nowhere near attaining it, would be to live a life true to the principles of Aikido at all times, in all areas of my life. We don't have to be on the mat, physically engaged in ikkyo or kaitenage, to be practicing Aikido. We can be working, taking care of our children, going to school - whatever - and still be trying to manifest harmony within and without in the spirit of O Sensei's teachings.

I am currently reading "A Life in Aikido," and am not surprised to discover that O Sensei was indeed a human being, with human flaws and frailties like every other human being I have known. This only makes his devotion and sincerity more admirable to me, because it reminds me of the great effort he must have put into developing his mind, body, and spirit. What if we all put forth that kind of effort in trying to live a good life? What might the world look like? Maybe we could find the energy and means to clean up that BP oil spill? We live in very superficial times, when it is easy to be glib, cynical, and dismissive; perhaps a bit more devotion and sincerity might be a good thing in this day and age.

I think that Aikido relates to and informs every part of my daily life, so maybe it would be valid to say that it has given me a purpose.

Phil Van Treese
05-17-2010, 02:21 PM
I don't need Aikido to give me a purpose in life. I have a purpose and aikido is part of it. I have learned a lot from aikido---like working with different people, styles etc, etc. I try to pass on what Tomiki shihan, and others, have taught me and what others have shown me. This is how aikido will continue to grow. For me, the purpose of aikido, among many purposes, to to spread the wealth to those who want to learn it. Aikido is to enjoy so train and be happy and pass it on.

RED
05-17-2010, 02:42 PM
I think there's a point where men do Aikido, then there are points where Aikido does men.
I'm not a fan of the last bit.
There's always the guy that comes in, trains constantly, saying martial arts is his life, then quits 2 months later burnt out. You can't like, lose yourself. You have to be a man doing Aikido.

lbb
05-17-2010, 08:43 PM
...or even a woman doing aikido.

Lilyfae
07-03-2010, 12:52 AM
I have been studying aikido for about a year now. I have met so many wonderful people, who are like family to me now. We train hard, and encourage each other on and off the mat. I couldn't imagine my life without aikido. I have also become a lot more self aware and willing to try new (often terrifying) things. Aikido can be considered a way of life, one that I would certainly like to live by.

OwlMatt
07-08-2010, 09:26 AM
Obvously, there are more important things in life than aikido. My wife and my job, for instance. But I don't think it is exaggerating to say that aikido has helped me find new purpose in life. It has provided me with new motivation to make a better and healthier person out of myself.

Keith Larman
07-08-2010, 10:44 AM
Well, I wonder if our erstwhile OP is still practicing Aikido. The OP stopped posting here 2 months after this thread was started 5 years ago.

lbb
07-08-2010, 11:38 AM
Well, I wonder if our erstwhile OP is still practicing Aikido. The OP stopped posting here 2 months after this thread was started 5 years ago.

Isn't it funny how the ones who are the most gushingly enthusiastic at first are so often the ones who aren't training a year later?

Actually, no, it's not funny...but it does suggest to me that it's best not to make grand declarations of one's commitment to aikido/aikido's central place in one's life, at least not when you're a newbie. Walk the walk for a long long while, then talk the talk if you want.

Keith Larman
07-08-2010, 01:04 PM
Isn't it funny how the ones who are the most gushingly enthusiastic at first are so often the ones who aren't training a year later?

Yup. Almost without exception. But that sort of behavior is pretty much universal in any area. Lord knows I see it in people who discover Japanese swords crafts. Most get excited, they dabble, they ask a million questions and get insulted if no one takes them absolutely seriously. But soon they find out that it is years of hard work to get anywhere productive and, well, many of those people are soon distracted by another shiny object and move on. Being excited and interested up front doesn't necessarily translate into a long term investment of sweat.

But who knows... Maybe the OP is still working hard as an Uchideshi somewhere.