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Don_Modesto
05-18-2005, 12:00 AM
Interesting comments and document on "Shihan" which has been discussed at some length on various aikido fora.

Yamada Yoshimitsu on "Shihan".

http://www.aikidoeast.com/

Rules for Appointment of Shihan

http://www.aikidoeast.com/aikidoeast/greetings/rules_for_appointment_of_shihan.html

NagaBaba
05-18-2005, 03:01 PM
I'd say, quite surprising, isn't it? :D If "Shihan is simply another way of saying Sensei" why Hombu dojo Aikikai during so many years did so many problems to give this title to western teachers?

Joost Korpel
05-18-2005, 03:04 PM
The latest issue of Yamada Sensei's newsletter is out. In it Yamada Sensei discusses what it means to be a Shihan.

Read it online at: http://www.aikidoeast.com/

Do others have the same perception of the term Shihan as Yamada Sensei? Do other Martrial Arts use the term in the same way? What are peoples thoughts on the meaning of Shihan? :confused:

akiy
05-18-2005, 03:09 PM
There are two articles on the term "shihan" (and "sensei") here in the AikiWeb articles section, one by Peter Goldsbury and the other by Jim Vance:

http://www.aikiweb.com/language/

-- Jun

bkedelen
05-18-2005, 03:13 PM
I was under the impression that "shihan" was not even a spoken word in the Japanese language until westerners started reading things aloud.

Stefan Stenudd
05-18-2005, 03:25 PM
When I read Yamada sensei's text, I was primarily impressed by his gentle and modest writing. Being a writer by profession (not in English, as you have surely noticed), I tend to sort of read between the lines before on them. What comes across from his short text, certainly gives me the impression of a shihan.
So, I trust his explanation.

In Aikikai, there are the three "degrees" of fukushidoin, shidoin, and shihan. You need to be nidan for the first, yondan for the second, and rokudan for the third. About the first two, national federations with Hombu recognition can decide about procedures and additional requirements. About shihan, Hombu decides - see Yamada sensei's text.

I guess that you could translate fukushidoin "assisting instructor" and shidoin "instructor". Shihan is more complicated, implying more than just instruction in techniques. Certainly, the word "teacher" is a good translation, since this word also implies more than basic instruction.

I have not experienced that other budo use those three terms as much as aikido does. Maybe most of them stick to sensei, simply?

In kendo and iaido, though, they have a similar system of terms: renshi, kyoshi, hanshi. These titles commence on the grade rokudan, if I am not mistaken.

Rupert Atkinson
05-23-2005, 02:43 AM
Just an aside, but a friend of mine called Rob Sheehan is a Jujutsu teacher in the UK. Check that name again! Sheehan Sensei. Or, if he trains a little longer it might be Sheehan Shihan. But even if he had never trained a day in his life he would still be Rob Sheehan :)

PeterR
05-23-2005, 03:23 AM
Sort of like that guy your way Rupert.

Cardinal Sin

Ketsan
05-24-2005, 06:13 AM
In kendo and iaido, though, they have a similar system of terms: renshi, kyoshi, hanshi. These titles commence on the grade rokudan, if I am not mistaken.

Aren't those the old titles that were about from before Kano's belt system came in?

Stefan Stenudd
05-24-2005, 08:51 AM
Aren't those the old titles that were about from before Kano's belt system came in?
No, they are not. The old diploma system is another thing completely. Anyone knowing more about it, who feels like contributing?

Chuck Clark
05-24-2005, 09:55 AM
My understanding is that those titles recognize levels of teaching certification. The Zen Nihon Kendo Renmei uses these titles for kendo, iaido, and their form of Shindo Muso Ryu seiteigata practice.

Stefan Stenudd
05-24-2005, 10:11 AM
Yes, Chuck, that is my impression, too, as I said in an earlier post. Sorry about being unclear here.
Know anything more about the old system of menkyo diplomas?

Jack Simpson
05-26-2005, 04:46 PM
On the old system, you may want to look at the following article (http://www.big-planet.org/WHAT_%20IS_%20RANK_BY_Donn_F._Draeger.htm) . Even though its about Judo, it speaks at length about what came before Kano's ranking system.

Jack :ai:

Kent Enfield
05-26-2005, 05:58 PM
In kendo and iaido, though, they have a similar system of terms: renshi, kyoshi, hanshi. These titles commence on the grade rokudan, if I am not mistaken.If following the system used by the All Japan Kendo Federation, which most member federations of the International Kendo Federation do, the shogo of renshi, kyoshi, and hanshi arn't automatic with a given dan. Once the rank and age requirements are met, they must be tested for, similar to dan. Dan are for technical skill. Shogo are for teaching and developing kendo. Theoretically, one could make hachidan without ever making renshi.

I can't find the current requirements, but those for each shogo include: minimum time at a certain rank (rokudan for renshi, nanadan for kyoshi, hachidan for hanshi), minimum age, minimum time at previous shogo (for kyoshi and hanshi), as well as contributing to kendo by teaching seminars, refereeing, serving on grading panels, etc.