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tiyler_durden
04-06-2005, 05:15 AM
Hey All,

I am a huge Steven Segal fan and if you have picrures or on line movies, clips etc... could you please tell me where I can get them or if you would be super kind could you send me them?

All is appreciated!

Thanks a bunch.

T_D (Super Geek)

Short_Stack
04-06-2005, 06:51 AM
google it :D

diesel
04-06-2005, 07:49 AM
http://suzi-340.tripod.com/


A good fan site with aikido and movie info..although not all of it is accurate... :freaky:

Ron Tisdale
04-06-2005, 08:32 AM
If you google it...you might try to spell the name correctly :)

Seagal....

Ron

tiyler_durden
04-07-2005, 07:52 AM
Thanks for the replies every one as the link is very nice indeed.

Great..

T_D

Eliott Beazley
04-07-2005, 03:27 PM
On limewire I found a good movie called "The Path Beyond Thought," and it was very in depth and detailed about what aikido was.

tiyler_durden
04-08-2005, 01:11 AM
I have already downloaded "The Path Beyond Thought" thanks very much.

Does any one have personal pictures?

Aikilove
04-08-2005, 01:49 AM
You have downloaded all of it?
I know there are clips out there of I think the last sequence in the movie in which a lot of aikido has been cut together, but all of it? Talk about violating copywrite (not so much you who download, although I don't approve of that either, but that someone has bought or got the movie and now are spreading it around the web....)

Gustaf Rydevik
04-08-2005, 08:43 AM
I must admit that I have downloaded the entire clip as well (some 30-40 min). Ok watching, but not too interesting.
There are much more interesting movies you can find on dc connect, though.

There's an instructional video with tohei sensei from around the 1960's, and one of the Osensei documentaries, as well as numerous demonstration clips by various sensei's (I've got Nishio sensei, Saito sensei as wel as Shioda sensei and some others).

Quite a lot of worthvile(sp?) material.
With regards to copyright I don't feel morally bad considering a) I would never have found out about these movies without dc

b) I wouldn't have bought them even if I knew about them, being a poor student with no tv, wich means that the companies have not lost a potential sale

and

c) I feel that the copyright idea is in need of some kind of revision, and me downloading things puts pressure on the powers that be to find such a revision.


If anyone wants to download the clips, just mail me, and I can meet up with you on a dc hub, over icq or in some other manner.

/Gustaf

Ron Tisdale
04-08-2005, 09:35 AM
hmph, seems like you (generic) can justify just about anything...regardless of whether its moral or not...
RT

Gustaf Rydevik
04-08-2005, 10:01 AM
I take it that you disagree with my standpoint?
In that case, why not try and give some argumrnts instead of just racking down on me?

Ron Tisdale
04-08-2005, 10:43 AM
I specifically stated "you (generic)" so that you wouldn't take it personally.

I've made my arguement...it seems as if *someone* could always justify just about anything, regardless of whether the action in question is moral or not. I fail to see how that arguement is not clear. The two problems I see with it is that it sets a very high standard (I certainly don't meet it all the time), and that it could lead to paralysis...someone could spend so many cylces debating any action as to render any action moot.

If you would like my own personal arguement as to copyright law...well...lets see...

I spend years training myself to be a carpenter, and I come up with a nifty design for a new chair, and spend more years perfecting it, and I build this really neat chair (takes me 4 months) and set it in my back yard. Someone sees it, and decides that because it is made of wood (which grows naturally) and because anyone can really make a chair (its not such a novel idea) and because they really need a chair themselves (and they are poor and can't buy it), that they will just walk into my backyard and take it. They have justified their action...but was their action moral?

Take one more step...Instead of taking the chair, they make a detailed sketch of my chair, and inspite of the fact that I make my living producing new and innovative furniture, they start their own factory making that exact chair, perhaps even mass producing it. Are they justified in taking away the market for my chair?

This last step is no longer as clear cut to some...to others there is not that much difference. I would suggest that the original maker of the chair is likely to be quite miffed.

Best,
Ron

j0nharris
04-08-2005, 12:29 PM
google it :D

or this way (http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com)
:D
(Meant to bring a chuckle, and not upset anyone!)

Gustaf Rydevik
04-08-2005, 01:18 PM
Re: Ron
Thanks for your reply. I wassn't terribly upset by your post, and it is true. There always _does_ seem to be a way to motivate a specific action, regardless of which action it is. It is quite interesting, and makes me wonder why I keep starting discussions about one thing or another :-).

With regards to copyright: The difficulty with the second argument is that someone copying and manufacturing your chair for free gives a lot more people access to a good chair, thus increasing the "common good". Now, I realise that this begs the question of who will design new chairs, and that one needs to be solved. But I don't agree that it is a bad thing for the entire world to have free access to nice chairs (or good music, or nice aikido videos).

Regards

oldshatterhand
04-08-2005, 01:37 PM
Hi Gustaf: I tried with www.dc connect,and got a Christian schools page.
Can you give me the adress to try to load the videos that you mention?.
And by the way:
Tack så jätte mycket!.
Alfredo

Gustaf Rydevik
04-08-2005, 01:53 PM
Hi Alfredo!

"dc" is the name of one of the more popular p2p file sharing protocols.
A program to use for this would be
http://dcplusplus.sourceforge.net/

You then download one of the public "hub" lists inside the program, and connect to a hub where you satisfy the conditions (you need to share a certain amount of data, between 2 and 50 gb).
Alternatively, if you have a moderatly fast connection, you could add me on icq (number 40540054)

Lycka till!

/Gustaf

oldshatterhand
04-08-2005, 03:04 PM
Gustaf:
Thanks a lot!
Y will try it tonight.

Hej Då.

Charles Hill
04-08-2005, 07:44 PM
Just a note on the copyright idea. Most of the people involved with putting out video in Aikido do not have a lot of money. By copying what they sell, one is depriving them of the ability to put out more. For example, a lot of the good stuff is produced by Aikido Journal. If you look at Stan Pranin`s (the owner) various editorials, one can easily see that he is not rich. Also, he has a family which he is trying to support. If it gets too tough, I am sure that he will just quit, depriving us with a lot of great resources. Steven Seagal may be rich (although looking at his recent movies, ?), but (for example) I am sure that the Nishio family isn`t. Why not support them and buy the videos?

Charles

syraikidoka
04-09-2005, 07:20 PM
TD-

If you dont have it already, check this link:
http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~sws99dsc/rdgaikido/SS_Aikido.mpg

I found it by going to yahoo, clicking on the "video" tab above the search bar and typed in "aikido". This is the first one that came up. There may be more.

Though I am not knowledgeable enough to critique this video intelligently, I do think it is pretty cool. :D

syraikidoka

kironin
04-09-2005, 07:59 PM
more like very repetitive...

too bad all his ukes are quite a bit smaller.

Aikilove
04-10-2005, 01:35 PM
Why is this bad Craig? Should he for the purpos of satisfying the future opinion of Mr. Craig Hooker have thought of using larger ukes (which would be a feat of itself consider his length)?

BTW how is it more repetitive than the general clip of aikido? In this case there are not all that much video footage of SS from pre-90's so I guess the director of said clip just wanted to show as much of him as possible. If you want more I guess you have to buy the movie, right?

oudbruin
04-10-2005, 11:38 PM
To friends and supporteres of Segal Sensai, Today -4-10-2005 is his birthday, which date I also share with Sensai.
Happy Birthday Sensai, may the road raise with you, and may the wind be at your back. And may you die and be in heaven half an hour befor the devil knows you're gone.
You have detracters and supporters, bottom line is that you have made aikido much more a real thing than the stuff of ledgend.
Regards Bruce Hammell