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02-13-2005, 01:30 AM
AikiWeb Poll for the week of February 13, 2005:

If doctors told you that continuing aikido would be very bad for your health, would you continue training?

I don't do aikido
Yes
No


Here are the current results (http://www.aikiweb.com/polls/results.html?poll_id=260).

Roger C. Marks
02-13-2005, 04:54 AM
I would change doctors.

altered_carbon
02-13-2005, 05:25 AM
I'll second that.

GaiaM
02-13-2005, 08:43 AM
i would third that...
and - I also voted yes because even if there was some element of aikido that was bad for my health, I can't imagine not being able to find a way to alter my training slightly to avoid that damage.

Qatana
02-13-2005, 09:49 AM
If my doctor was 2nd dan or higher I might consider discussing options with them.

Actually the doctor I have would probbly not go so far as to tell me to quit training, but maybe adapt certain aspects.

Jennifer Grahn
02-13-2005, 10:19 AM
I don't go to any doctors because i don't trust them with my health. Only if i broke a bone, or was in some other way physically unable to practice aikido, i would stop until I was healed.

Jerry Miller
02-13-2005, 11:29 AM
The doctor should understand their job would be to help me to continue to practice. I would stop but it would take the opinion of more than one.

SeiserL
02-13-2005, 12:22 PM
Been there, told that, still training and doing well.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If the only tool you have is a scapel and medication, and you've never done Aikido, and most of the courses you have studied have been in sickness/pathology not health/wellness, well then I always try to consider the source of the information/opinion I get.

IMHO, doctors can offer opinions and advice based on what they know and think, but the final decisions are always our own. The quality of my life matters and Aikido adds to its quality.

Jen R
02-13-2005, 02:48 PM
I was told to quit just this past week (arthritis).

I haven't, and I won't.

Lynn, I hope my experiences end up being as positive as yours.

Jen

gracerollins
02-13-2005, 03:52 PM
One of my dojomates had her wrists x-rayed once, and the docs were aghast-- the bones looked pulled apart. "What's wrong with your wrists!!" they said. "Oh, I just do aikido..."

Couldn't blame a sensible doc for advising one to stay away since this isn't exactly the safest of recreational activities. ("And tell me again what you don't understand about the "R" in "RICE"-- Rest, Ice, Circulation and Elevation?")

On the other hand, my acupuncturist said my pulses became nice and strong when I started practicing!

Joezer M.
02-13-2005, 08:03 PM
After several torn ligaments and a minor concusion, my mom, a medical-rehab doctor, repeatedly suggested that I tone down my training a bit... Never told me to quit tho...
Interestingly, most doctors specializing in medical-rehab and sport-medicine agree that in most martial art dojos, warm-ups and particularly stretching are inadequate or done incorrectly... :confused:

Regards,

uros slo
02-14-2005, 03:11 AM
Depend on.....
My experience is that you should get second opinion and then decide what to do. I have diabetes for 11 years now and my first doctor told me not to train :( (running marathon). I experienced that my health has always been better when training. I have been sent to a specialist for diagnostics and a new doctor has been specialized in sport and told me (in my case) that what makes me feel good and more healthy I can train(knowing your limits). I joined Aikido 5 years ago and my illness has newer stop me to do what I want to do. I live better with Aikido :) .
Uroš

bbleeker
02-14-2005, 07:30 AM
Oops, I voted 'No' by mistake. :( I would not stop training just because my doctor said so. It would depend on why he thought it would be bad, and I would do research on the Web and ask people here and on Aikido-L what they thought. AND I would definitely get a second opinion (and maybe change doctors).

GaiaM
02-14-2005, 09:27 AM
RICE"-- Rest, Ice, Circulation and Elevation

Isn't it "Rest, Ice, COMPRESSION, Elevation"? At least that's what I always learned... circulation is good too though :-)

Ed OConnor
02-14-2005, 11:32 AM
Too vague IMHO. What does very bad for my health mean? Since Aikido has done nothing but enhance my overall well being I am having a hard time visualizing this. But very bad implied life threatening to me so I answered no.

If Aikido gave you cancer, damaged your heart/lung/liver/kidney function, ability to reason, etc... I doubt most folks would continue... then again there's nothing good about cigarette smoking ; )

Peace,
eD

bryce_montgomery
02-14-2005, 12:00 PM
I wouldn't quit practicing aikido just because some loon told me to...But that's just me...

Bryce

Taliesin
02-14-2005, 12:49 PM
Jennifer

Good on you. I had arthritis well before I started Aikido Training. The training has helped my fledxibility significantly

siwilson
02-14-2005, 07:00 PM
If Aikido gave you cancer, damaged your heart/lung/liver/kidney function, ability to reason, etc... I doubt most folks would continue... then again there's nothing good about cigarette smoking ; )


Ed

My teacher - Sensei Ted Stratton - died of cancer in 2000, but he taught and trained Aikido to the end (he had cancer, parkinsons and diabeties! Anther thing to think of is what level you are. Staying with Aikido is different to starting Aikido. Once you are practicing Aikido, you can keep going, instead of starting something new.

I tore my MCL in January 2002, and I ended up in a leg brace! Hakama on over leg brace and carry on! I trained every day! No suwari and my kamae was higher, but I did it! But hey, I was the teacher!!!

There is a lot to be said for keeping yourself going by training, and when you stop so does everything else!

Keep training!

JJF
02-15-2005, 04:26 AM
With 'very bad' I assumed that we are talking risk of getting permanently paralyzed or perhaps even the risk of dying. Under this assumption I voted 'No'. I wouldn't be able to justify my kids loosing their father just because I need to go on practicing Aikido. if the ukemi was the reason I was in danger I would probably do something else like kyo-do and I would probably do a lot more AI-do than I do now, but even though I love Aikido It's not enough to risk hurting my loved ones. I know there is a small risk in the daily practice as it is, but I calculate this to be even lower than the risk of getting hurt when driving in a car or walking on the street. We have to live - and life is by definition filled with risks, however there is no need to be stupid. If you are in real danger of getting seriously damaged from continued practice then there is no doubt in my mind that I would stop. Life is precious - and so are my kids.

aikidoc
02-15-2005, 08:46 AM
I usually don't recommend someone with a herniated disc to practice since they cannot handle the impacts.

gracerollins
02-15-2005, 09:44 AM
Isn't it "Rest, Ice, COMPRESSION, Elevation"? At least that's what I always learned... circulation is good too though :-)
oops, the C in RICE does stand for "compression"... no wonder things have been taking so long to heal... unless it's from skipping the whole "R" thing!

E.D. Gordon
02-15-2005, 03:44 PM
Most GPs are informed and equipped only to handle "couch potato" lifestyles. I find that the active body is a healthier one. My clients as a bodyworker are soldiers, they cannot stop what they do. So I find ways for them to carry on, unless they are just being silly. Injuries must rest, certain things (spinal problems and defects) must be respected. I voted No, because I know what my body can tolerate better than a doc does. I just taught class after being down for a week with a virus. It felt great. They sweat, I watch. LOL! Seriously, I have learned to pace myself and care for myself. Find a good sports doc, or one who trains. Don't ever remove a positive part of your life, don't take no for an answer if Yes is a better one.

Dazzler
02-16-2005, 06:49 AM
Statistically 100% of people that quit Aikido eventually die.

You have no choice but to keep practicing when faced with that sort of hard evidence.

D

bennettdjr
02-16-2005, 01:18 PM
Why is it that what doctors do is called practice, surely they should be good at it after going through medical school.

mathewjgano
02-16-2005, 09:37 PM
Yeah...I think if a doctor advised you to quit something called Aikido because continuing it would be bad for your health, that something could not in fact be called "Aikido". The concepts are mutually exclusive. :ai: :ki:

Lachlan Kadick
02-18-2005, 06:25 PM
It is impossible to be told you can't practice Aikido, it is more than a martial art, it is a way of life... and added to that, as a martial art, only a mortal wound or paralysis could prevent a person from practicing true Aikido

Roger C. Marks
02-19-2005, 05:19 AM
'Most GPs are informed and equipped only to handle "couch potato" lifestyles. I find that the active body is a healthier one.' AND ' Find a good sports doc, or one who trains. Don't ever remove a positive part of your life, don't take no for an answer if Yes is a better one.'

I agree absolutely with Emily. Diagnosed after an MRI scan (and lots of pain) with two herniated disks and some spinal arthritis (legacy of running Marathons!) I was given ' advice' on what not to do by consultant. Dissatisfied with this, I changed to a consultant who was sports specialist and was told what to do and advised on possible limitations to keep in mind but the message was listen to your body and keep on doing what you do.

So I do and many years on have regained a great deal of my original mobility and enjoy an active lifestyle. Sure, there is pain, but manageable without any medication . The pain of giving up the things I enjoy would be worse.