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Bronson
01-19-2005, 12:33 AM
Does anyone know how many official non-Japanese shihans the Aikikai has? If you happen to know the names of these fine folks that'd be cool too :D

Thanks,

Bronson

p.s. Is there an English language web-page for Aikikai Hombu that lists such things?

Don_Modesto
01-19-2005, 02:44 AM
Does anyone know how many official non-Japanese shihans the Aikikai has? If you happen to know the names of these fine folks that'd be cool too

Here's some...

http://aikidojournal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2764&highlight=biraki

...haven't seen announcements since these...

Also--

http://aikidojournal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4361&highlight=biraki

http://aikidojournal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2844&highlight=biraki

philipsmith
01-19-2005, 06:04 AM
Only three Europeans I know are:

Christian Tissier 7th Dan France
Ken Cottier 6th Dan England
William Smith M.B.E. 6th Dan England

jimbaker
01-19-2005, 07:55 AM
I'm assuming you mean Aikikai Foundation recognized Shihans.

Frank Doran and Robert Nadeau of the CAA are Shihans.

Bill Witt was also made a Shihan and I believe his new organization, the TAA, is recognized by Hombu, so I assume that he still retains the title.

The USAF-East website's seminar calendar now lists, to my surprise, four US teachers as Shihan: Claude Berthiaume, Peter Bernath, Donovan Waite and Harvey Konigsberg. Claude and Harvey were promoted to 7th Dan recently, while Peter and Donovan are 6th Dans. I'm surprised because I've seen no general announcement about this. Since the people who put up the calendar are careful about titles, I must assume that they are Hombu recognized Shihans.

I've had to use "assume" three times here because there's no real source online which gives any official list.

Jim Baker
Aikido of Norfolk

GaiaM
01-19-2005, 08:05 AM
Yes, all four of those folks were recently promoted to shihan.
Gaia

GaiaM
01-19-2005, 08:07 AM
Also, in the USAF-W, Lorraine DiAnne was promoted to shihan last year.

jimbaker
01-19-2005, 09:09 AM
>Also, in the USAF-W, Lorraine DiAnne was promoted to shihan last year.<

Was that a Hombu Shihan license or one issued only by the Birankai?

Alvin H. Nagasawa
01-19-2005, 11:34 AM
Re: Non-Japanese Shihans?

I assume the Shihan certification given by the AikiKai Foundation Hombu Dojo Japan.
I assume a certified designated "Shihan" has to be recommendation of a Certified Representative of Hombu Dojo or affiliated Organization the AikiKai Foundation has appointed a Representative in the United States as a example. If the Aiki foundation did not announce these Non- Japanese Shihan designation it could be a outside of Japan posting system. If the Aiki Web, as a starting point could resolve this question. It could help the members of this Aiki Web forum resolve this Shihan question. The Aikikai Foundation will recognize the "Aiki Web" as a point of information to all Aikido students all over the world. And will help to resolve this question or direct you to the individual in charge of the Shihan certification.

aikidoc
01-19-2005, 02:01 PM
Is anyone aware of a website or printed version of Aikido Shimbun in English? I think I saw on one of the sites it was called The Aikido but I cannot find it anyware. Or even a translated resource to Aikido Shimbun would work as well.

Don_Modesto
01-19-2005, 04:38 PM
The USAF-East website's seminar calendar now lists, to my surprise, four US teachers as Shihan: Claude Berthiaume, Peter Bernath, Donovan Waite and Harvey Konigsberg. Claude and Harvey were promoted to 7th Dan recently, while Peter and Donovan are 6th Dans.

IIRC, Harvey was officially promoted to SHIHAN by Honbu; I haven't heard that the others were. I heard that Kanai designated Claude heir apparent, but this was local, not Honbu.

Lisa Tomoleoni
01-19-2005, 06:44 PM
Is anyone aware of a website or printed version of Aikido Shimbun in English? I think I saw on one of the sites it was called The Aikido but I cannot find it anyware. Or even a translated resource to Aikido Shimbun would work as well.

The printed on paper publication "The Aikido" is no longer being published, but the Aikikai webpage has an English portion, which can be read at:

http://www.aikikai.or.jp/Eng/index.htm

There is no translated to English version of the Aikido Shimbun put out by the Aikikai, though portions of it are sometimes translated and put on the English webpage.

Lisa Tomoleoni

giriasis
01-19-2005, 08:34 PM
Ummm...My sensei (Peter Bernath) has been promoted to Shihan??? ~scratches head~~ He hasn't told anyone. I need a little talk with him. ;)

NagaBaba
01-19-2005, 08:35 PM
IIRC, Harvey was officially promoted to SHIHAN by Honbu; I haven't heard that the others were. I heard that Kanai designated Claude heir apparent, but this was local, not Honbu.
Claude was promoted to shihan in January 2004 by Honbu Aikikai. Want to see his cert? Come to the dojo ;)

jimbaker
01-19-2005, 09:23 PM
Cool!

I knew both Claude and Harvey were promoted to 7th Dan, but I hadn't heard that they'd been sent Shihan certificates yet. I didn't know about Peter Bernath either, but then again, neither did Ann Marie from his own dojo. No one at the USAF summer camp mentioned any of this either. That's why I've been cautious about just saying that Hombu has named them as Shihans. I do consider the USAF's own events calendar as "official"; well, "official" enough for me.

Has anyone from the other Hombu recognized organizations in the US heard of Shihan promotions in their groups. ASU? AAA? PAF?

Jim Baker
Aikido of Norfolk

Don_Modesto
01-19-2005, 09:31 PM
Claude was promoted to shihan in January 2004 by Honbu Aikikai. Want to see his cert? Come to the dojo ;)

Thanks for the clarification, Szczepan. I'm glad to hear it. Claude is a great player, I've really enjoyed my time on the mat with him. I don't think Peter can be far behind...

Bronson
01-19-2005, 10:01 PM
Thanks for all the input so far.

Bronson

batemanb
01-20-2005, 12:52 AM
The printed on paper publication "The Aikido" is no longer being published, but the Aikikai webpage has an English portion, which can be read at:

http://www.aikikai.or.jp/Eng/index.htm

There is no translated to English version of the Aikido Shimbun put out by the Aikikai, though portions of it are sometimes translated and put on the English webpage.

Lisa Tomoleoni


Hi Lisa,

Ohisashiburi desu. Hope you are well.

rgds

Bryan

JJF
01-20-2005, 01:15 AM
I'm not quite sure but I think i've read somewhere that Ulf Evenċ from Sweden was announced to be shihan some years ago. That's in Iwama ryu I think. Mind you this is unsubstantiated rumors from the murky debths of my scatterede memory.... :D

giriasis
01-20-2005, 07:02 PM
...I don't think Peter can be far behind...

He's not. I just confirmed with Penny. It's true. He's shihan, now.

Don_Modesto
01-21-2005, 12:04 AM
He's not. I just confirmed with Penny. It's true. He's shihan, now.

Cool! Give him my congratulations. He runs a great dojo.

Shoshin
01-21-2005, 09:25 AM
He's not. I just confirmed with Penny. It's true. He's shihan, now.

Great News!!!!! :)

Please, if you see Sensei BERNATH in these days, send him our congratulations from SAKANASHI Sensei and all his students of the Centro de Difusion del Aikido in Argentina.

Has he been promoted to nanadan, too?

jimbaker
01-21-2005, 11:18 AM
Tell him: "Go Dink! Go Dink!!"

He'll understand.

Jim Baker
Aikido of Norfolk

NagaBaba
01-21-2005, 01:13 PM
He's not. I just confirmed with Penny. It's true. He's shihan, now.
Major congrats!!!!!

..........hey, I'll congratulate him personally, on Kanai Sensei Memorial Seminar in Boston in March, he is supposed to conduct some practice, I believe.....

akiy
01-21-2005, 01:51 PM
From what I understand on this issue, certain organizations within the Aikikai "umbrella" have issued the title of "shihan" to persons within their organizations. Also, Aikikai itself has also issued "official" titles of "shihan" to people as well.

There is an increasing number of non-Japanese shihan recognized by Aikikai, some of whom have been named above. I think this is a long over-due move on the part of the Aikikai, but it's good news, nonetheless.

And, for the subject of organizations with the Aikikai giving out their own "shihan" title, I think that's up to them to decide.

I havent't seen any sort of official announcement on the recent kagaki biraki promotions (either for rank or for title) from Aikikai hombu dojo yet, neither on their English nor Japanese language. If Peter Goldsbury is reading this (or Lisa is she has the time), maybe he could let us know if such an official announcement were made by Aikikai (either on the website or otherwise) that it could be made public here on AikiWeb?

-- Jun

Alvin H. Nagasawa
01-21-2005, 05:16 PM
From what I understand on this issue, certain organizations within the Aikikai "umbrella" have issued the title of "shihan" to persons within their organizations. Also, Aikikai itself has also issued "official" titles of "shihan" to people as well.

There is an increasing number of non-Japanese shihan recognized by Aikikai, some of whom have been named above. I think this is a long over-due move on the part of the Aikikai, but it's good news, nonetheless.

And, for the subject of organizations with the Aikikai giving out their own "shihan" title, I think that's up to them to decide.

I haven't seen any sort of official announcement on the recent kagami biraki promotions (either for rank or for title) from Aikikai hombu dojo yet, neither on their English nor Japanese language. If Peter Goldsbury is reading this (or Lisa is she has the time), maybe he could let us know if such an official announcement were made by Aikikai (either on the website or otherwise) that it could be made public here on AikiWeb?

-- Jun
Jun,
Thanks for following up on this posting on :Non-Japanese Shihan?. I am sure allot of the reader of this forum. would like some answer's. And if Mr. Goldsbury or Lisa has the time to follow up. I for one would appreciate their individual efforts on this subject. This Shihan issue has been a topic of decision for many years. It's just a title, Lets not make it more than it is. I doesn't make this person better than you or I . We are all human beings. Let's just concentrate on one's own individual training. Leave the politics to the politicians.

Chris Li
01-21-2005, 06:18 PM
Jun,
Thanks for following up on this posting on :Non-Japanese Shihan?. I am sure allot of the reader of this forum. would like some answer's. And if Mr. Goldsbury or Lisa has the time to follow up. I for one would appreciate their individual efforts on this subject. This Shihan issue has been a topic of decision for many years. It's just a title, Lets not make it more than it is. I doesn't make this person better than you or I . We are all human beings. Let's just concentrate on one's own individual training. Leave the politics to the politicians.

Hi Alvin - it's been awhile!

The regulations for shihan are listed on the Japanese side of the Aikikai hombu website (in Japanese). In general (off the top of my head):

1) Organizations must apply, not the person themselves.
2) The person must be at least 6th dan, and have been 6th dan for at least 6 years.
3) The shihan certification committee meets once a year to review applications.

There's also an application form available for downloading if anybody's interested :).

Best,

Chris

Alvin H. Nagasawa
01-21-2005, 07:34 PM
Hello Chris,

I hope Mr Diffin, who posted this issue of : Non-Japanese Shihan will contact you and resolve his question. And for everyone else that this issue was not answered, But was bounced around and no one had a concrete direction to follow. I appreciate someone who has a recommendation and resolution in solving this issue. I hope the host of the Aiki Web will contact Mr. Li and work together to help all the members of the Aiki Web find a common ground where we all can find a honest answer to ones posting issues what ever it maybe. The majority of the issue is posted by beginners who are looking for answers to there individual problems. The Aiki Web is source of posting,resolution, and direction in the Aikido or MA community.

Peter Goldsbury
01-21-2005, 08:04 PM
This post is intended as a supplement to Chris Li's.

The Shihan rules can be found on the Aikikai's web site under the general heading "Furoku". The rules are the fourth item under this heading. Since they have not been translated, reading them will be a good chance for students of Japanese to test their skills. Notice that the rules apply to organizations outside Japan that are officially recognized by the Aikikai. They are not related to the shihan promotions made by individual instructors within their own organizations.

A committee meets each year to decide on the applications and the results are communicated to the organizations that propose the candidates and, where appropriate, to the candidates themselves. The results are not made available to the general public, either in the "Aikido Shimbun" or on any web site. Thus, it will be pointless to ask Chris Li or myself who has been awarded the title.

In an earlier post, the recommendation was made to 'leave the politics to the politicians'. I think the only political issue here has been the obvious difference between Japan and the rest of the world and the only 'politics' that I can see has been done, sometimes with great reluctance, by those who want to see this imbalance corrected.

The kagami-biraki dan promotions are made public in the "Aikido Shimbun". This publication appears twice each month and the promotions for 2005 will appear in the next issue or the one after that.

Yours sincerely,

aikidoc
01-21-2005, 08:17 PM
Peter:

Since the Shimbun is not in English, how do us non-Japanse speaking find out who is promoted?

Peter Goldsbury
01-21-2005, 09:22 PM
Peter:

Since the Shimbun is not in English, how do us non-Japanse speaking find out who is promoted?

Do you mean dan promotions, or promotions to shihan? In either case, as I implied in my earlier post, you don't.

The information gradually filters through, as it is doing now in this forum. At present there is no official way for such information to be disseminated, apart from the Aikikai's publications or the English section of its web site. The dan promotions are regularly listed on the back page; the shihan promotions are not.

Until the "Aikido Shimbun" is published online, this situation is unlikely to change.

Best regards,

Michael Young
01-22-2005, 12:10 AM
Do you mean dan promotions, or promotions to shihan? In either case, as I implied in my earlier post, you don't.

ummm...maybe I'm just bing a little naive here or perhaps I'm missing something, but couldn't someone be kind enough to translate the info on the website for the rest of us who do no know enough Japanese to translate it for ourselves. I think that is what is being asked (or at least implied). Is this some type of big social no-no or what? The info is there, its just not in English, right? (Its late in the evening, sorry about the sarcastic tone)

On another note about the Shihan title. Obviously the title is an honor bestowed on those who have dedicated their lives to not only learning Aikido, but to putting forth a extraordinary effort to spreading and teaching the art. But does the title also have some "concrete" power/responisibility that goes along with it? Something I've always been interested in knowing...does having the title of Shihan through Hombu Dojo (Aikikai) allow one to promote students to higher ranks: i.e. generally Shidoin are usually allowed to test students up to ranks of Nidan or Sandan. Does this change with the Shihan title, I wonder? Isn't a Shihan allowed to test, promote, and sign the certificates of students up to and including their own rank, or does that require some other Hombu approval? Will it be different for non-Japanese Shihan?

Just some more discussion fodder.

Mike

Peter Goldsbury
01-22-2005, 01:43 AM
ummm...maybe I'm just bing a little naive here or perhaps I'm missing something, but couldn't someone be kind enough to translate the info on the website for the rest of us who do no know enough Japanese to translate it for ourselves. I think that is what is being asked (or at least implied). Is this some type of big social no-no or what? The info is there, its just not in English, right? (Its late in the evening, sorry about the sarcastic tone)

And I have just got home from supervising some doctoral students, so you must forgive my sarcastic tone, if you detect it. The Aikikai's Japanese-language site is quite large and I think no member of this forum has the authority\or the time\to produce translations on demand. The Aikikai has a web site in English and if it were thought necessary, translations would be provided. If anyone wants a list of non-Japanese shihans recognized by the Aikikai, well, there is an e-mail address (aikido@aikikai.or.jp) and they know enough English to produce a web site in the language... Why not ask directly?

On another note about the Shihan title. Obviously the title is an honor bestowed on those who have dedicated their lives to not only learning Aikido, but to putting forth a extraordinary effort to spreading and teaching the art. But does the title also have some "concrete" power/responisibility that goes along with it? Something I've always been interested in knowing...does having the title of Shihan through Hombu Dojo (Aikikai) allow one to promote students to higher ranks: i.e. generally Shidoin are usually allowed to test students up to ranks of Nidan or Sandan. Does this change with the Shihan title, I wonder? Isn't a Shihan allowed to test, promote, and sign the certificates of students up to and including their own rank, or does that require some other Hombu approval? Will it be different for non-Japanese Shihan?

Just some more discussion fodder.

Mike

As stated earlier the Shihan title should be seen in combination with the Aikikai's regulations, which are on the web site in English. The organization, not the individual shihan, has the power to seek dan promotions based on the rank of the highest ranked member of the organizations's Teaching/Examination Committee.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Goldsbury
01-22-2005, 05:26 AM
Peter:

Since the Shimbun is not in English, how do us non-Japanse speaking find out who is promoted?

Hello John,

To add to my earlier post, I should add that the dan promotions are listed in the "Aikido Shimbun" exactly as they are written on the application, or as near as the English skills of those in the Aikikai office will allow. Occasionally first names and family names are mixed up, for example. So, anyone who looks at the last page will immediately recognize the name of their favourite non-Japanese shihan, for example. However, to my knowledge shihan promotions are not made public. At some point during kagami-biraki\I think before the party begins, the list of dan promotions is unveiled, to the oohs and aahs of the participants. The new shihan are not included in this ceremony. I do not know why, but perhaps it is thought to be a matter for the shihan and his/her organization. In any case, becoming a shihan is not really such a big deal in Japan.

What I want to stress here is that the Aikikai is still fundamentally a Japanese-style organization and is simply not geared to providing regular English news bulletins at all, let alone on a web site. Thus there is no one who will automatically think of sending the latest dan promotions or shihan awards around the world via the Internet.

Personally, I think this is not a good situation, but people like Hombu administrators\and Japanese university administrators for that matter\have not got to the stage where the Internet IN ENGLISH is their first call for disseminating or exchanging information. My own university has made great progress, but the Hombu still lags far behind. On the other hand, you would be surprised at the number of IAF member-organisations with which it is virtually impossible to communicate via e-mail.

Best regards,

giriasis
01-22-2005, 04:11 PM
Great News!!!!! :)

Please, if you see Sensei BERNATH in these days, send him our congratulations from SAKANASHI Sensei and all his students of the Centro de Difusion del Aikido in Argentina.

Has he been promoted to nanadan, too?

I have sent word to him for you all. I believe he's still 6th dan at the moment.

Please tell Sakanashi Sensei that we all enjoyed his last visit here. I would love to see him again.

Don and Jim, I've sent word to Peter as well. He says that we should have a parade for him. ;)

As to Jun's comment about where to see this officially, I don't know , but I can tell you that it is "official" according to Penny. From what I remember her telling me this morning, the decision was made this January and Peter was told this past week, but I don't think a formal announcement was made, yet. And, as many may know it's a hugh thing for our organization. We are very happy for Peter and the others who are award Shihan as well.

akiy
01-22-2005, 06:26 PM
Hi Peter,

As always, I appreciate the information that you can impart.

Do you know of a way for someone (like myself) in the United States to subscribe to the Aikido Shimbun?

Thanks,

-- Jun

Michael Young
01-22-2005, 08:38 PM
Thank you for the info Mr. Goldsbury. If my understanding is correct then, the Shihan title is mostly ceremonial, and as with most rank related issues, is only as important as each organization (and/or individual) makes it. Hombu doesn't impart special permission for anything new, it is just an adjunct title to a particular rank indicating a somewhat special or recognized teacher in Hombu's eyes (or maybe not so special since they don't seem to give it much exposure...typical Japanese layers of etiquette and meaning ;) )


Thanks for sharing your knowledge agian,

Mike

Don_Modesto
01-22-2005, 08:57 PM
IDon and Jim, I've sent word to Peter as well. He says that we should have a parade for him.

Cheers.

We applied for the permit, but conflicted with those darn boats on the Intercoastal on the one hand, the booths on Las Olas on the other. Can't say we didn't try...

(He did want a venue more splashy than the 7-11 parking lot, right?)

Peter Goldsbury
01-22-2005, 10:21 PM
Hi Peter,

As always, I appreciate the information that you can impart.

Do you know of a way for someone (like myself) in the United States to subscribe to the Aikido Shimbun?

Thanks,

-- Jun

Hello Jun,

The Aikikai has a yuubin furikae number. It is 00150-0-49527. As you probably know, it is a very convenient method of paying bills here and I always use this system for sending in examination fees etc. I have no idea whether it would work from a post office in the US. I suggest you e-mail the Aikikai in Japanese (aikido@aikikai.or.jp) and ask about the easiest payment method from abroad.

Best regards,

PAG

Chris Li
01-22-2005, 11:47 PM
Hello Jun,

The Aikikai has a yuubin furikae number. It is 00150-0-49527. As you probably know, it is a very convenient method of paying bills here and I always use this system for sending in examination fees etc. I have no idea whether it would work from a post office in the US. I suggest you e-mail the Aikikai in Japanese (aikido@aikikai.or.jp) and ask about the easiest payment method from abroad.

Best regards,

PAG

No, you can't transfer from the US post office to a Japanese postal account. It's possible to wire money into the Aikikai bank account (they'll send you the details if you ask), but the wire fee can be high from the US. Last time I bought something directly from hombu they didn't take credit cards, but who knows, maybe they will if enough people pester them :).

A cheaper work around might be a bank draft, which is much cheaper (sometimes free!), or postal money orders, but I don't know if the Aikikai is willing to deal with that or not - in many ways they don't really function like an international organization.

Best,

Chris

Peter Goldsbury
01-23-2005, 06:08 AM
Thank you for the info Mr. Goldsbury. If my understanding is correct then, the Shihan title is mostly ceremonial, and as with most rank related issues, is only as important as each organization (and/or individual) makes it. Hombu doesn't impart special permission for anything new, it is just an adjunct title to a particular rank indicating a somewhat special or recognized teacher in Hombu's eyes (or maybe not so special since they don't seem to give it much exposure...typical Japanese layers of etiquette and meaning ;) )


Thanks for sharing your knowledge agian,

Mike

Mr Young,

The Aikikai is in process of tying the shihan rank much more closely to the organization. The organization can award ranks in accordance with the ranking of the most senior member of the organization's teaching/examination committee. For example, if the senior member has 7th dan rank, then the organization can promote directly up to 5th dan and request for a promotion up to 6th dan. It does not matter whether the 7th dan has the title of shihan or not. If he/she does, it is simply icing on the cake.

Best regards,

giriasis
01-23-2005, 02:16 PM
Cheers.

We applied for the permit, but conflicted with those darn boats on the Intercoastal on the one hand, the booths on Las Olas on the other. Can't say we didn't try...

(He did want a venue more splashy than the 7-11 parking lot, right?)

We were thinking along the lines of Einsteins and Sushi One. ;)

Alvin H. Nagasawa
01-23-2005, 05:58 PM
Hello John,

To add to my earlier post, I should add that the dan promotions are listed in the "Aikido Shimbun" exactly as they are written on the application, or as near as the English skills of those in the Aikikai office will allow. Occasionally first names and family names are mixed up, for example. So, anyone who looks at the last page will immediately recognize the name of their favourite non-Japanese shihan, for example. However, to my knowledge shihan promotions are not made public. At some point during kagami-biraki\I think before the party begins, the list of dan promotions is unveiled, to the oohs and aahs of the participants. The new shihan are not included in this ceremony. I do not know why, but perhaps it is thought to be a matter for the shihan and his/her organization. In any case, becoming a shihan is not really such a big deal in Japan.

What I want to stress here is that the Aikikai is still fundamentally a Japanese-style organization and is simply not geared to providing regular English news bulletins at all, let alone on a web site. Thus there is no one who will automatically think of sending the latest dan promotions or shihan awards around the world via the Internet.

Personally, I think this is not a good situation, but people like Hombu administrators\and Japanese university administrators for that matter\have not got to the stage where the Internet IN ENGLISH is their first call for disseminating or exchanging information. My own university has made great progress, but the Hombu still lags far behind. On the other hand, you would be surprised at the number of IAF member-organisations with which it is virtually impossible to communicate via e-mail.

Best regards, Mr. Peter A. Goldsbury, Thank you for your response. Which is very informative, detailed, respectful. I would hope the the people that view this thread will find that the information that you have provided is well taken. With the situation at Hombu dojo(office management) and funding situation. It's not a priority situation for them. What if the International Aikido Federation start a English web site. Where everyone can e-mail there questions and view Promotions, Shihan promotions and so on International Federation web site. I have no idea of all the different country's and affiliated Dojos that are members of the International Aikido Federation community. This could be a loop hole to follow up?. :ai: :ki: :do: :)

Peter Goldsbury
01-23-2005, 07:43 PM
Mr. Peter A. Goldsbury, Thank you for your response. Which is very informative, detailed, respectful. I would hope the the people that view this thread will find that the information that you have provided is well taken. With the situation at Hombu dojo(office management) and funding situation. It's not a priority situation for them. What if the International Aikido Federation start a English web site. Where everyone can e-mail there questions and view Promotions, Shihan promotions and so on International Federation web site. I have no idea of all the different country's and affiliated Dojos that are members of the International Aikido Federation community. This could be a loop hole to follow up?. :ai: :ki: :do: :)

Mr Nagasawa,

The IAF has had a web site up and running for several years. The URL is www.aikido-international.org and there are discussion forums open to non-IAF members. It would be too big a job to post all the Hombu dan promotions there. However, posting the senior ranks, e.g., 6th dan and above, which are fewer, is quite feasible.

Yours sincerely,

Bronson
01-26-2005, 10:31 AM
Thanks for all the info everyone. I never expected this thread to go multi-page :D

Oh and as for this post from Alvin:

Hello Chris,

I hope Mr Diffin, who posted this issue of : Non-Japanese Shihan will contact you and resolve his question. And for everyone else that this issue was not answered, But was bounced around and no one had a concrete direction to follow. I appreciate someone who has a recommendation and resolution in solving this issue. I hope the host of the Aiki Web will contact Mr. Li and work together to help all the members of the Aiki Web find a common ground where we all can find a honest answer to ones posting issues what ever it maybe. The majority of the issue is posted by beginners who are looking for answers to there individual problems. The Aiki Web is source of posting,resolution, and direction in the Aikido or MA community.

Umm, I didn't know there was an "issue". I was curious as to the number and names of any non-Japanese Shihan...that's it. As Sigmund Freud once said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

Bronson

Goye
01-26-2005, 01:00 PM
He's not. I just confirmed with Penny. It's true. He's shihan, now.

This is great,.. In Colombia we are happy to confirm the new promotion of two very good sensei that have been very close to us. They have helped us a lot in our aikido development.
In name of all members of Aikikai de Colombia and sensei Luis Fernando Aldana Congratulations to Peter and Donovan Sensei.
:D :D