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[xuzen]

Dear practitioners,

Check the link below for some nice jiyu waza.

http://www.aikido.ca/burnaby/images/RobMust.wmv

Boon.

[xuzen]

Hi again,

The two players are Sensei Robert Mustard and Little Nick of "Angry White Pyjamas" fame. Enjoy.

Boon.

[Jordan Steele]

I live in Victoria and train in Aikikai but our sensei invited Yoshinkan Mustard Sensei from Burnaby to do a seminar about a year ago. He is a very impressive practitioner of Aikido and is very powerful. He trained the Tokyo Riot Police and several military units in Canada and abroad. HIs Aikido works.

[siwilson]

I live in Victoria and train in Aikikai but our sensei invited Yoshinkan Mustard Sensei from Burnaby to do a seminar about a year ago. He is a very impressive practitioner of Aikido and is very powerful. He trained the Tokyo Riot Police and several military units in Canada and abroad. HIs Aikido works.

Of course. It's Yoshinkan!

[Jordan Steele]

Please, don't be too humble. Let me provide a version of my humbleness. Although Mustard Sensei was very impressive, his Aikido is still second best in my books. My Aikikai sensei rocks and could clean out an entire dojo of Yoshikaners. (Note: This message was sent with dry sarcasm. I respect the entire Aikido community and realize my comment is an ignorant and unwarranted display of biased negative input.)

[siwilson]

My Aikikai sensei rocks and could clean out an entire dojo of Yoshikaners.

Yeah, I have seen Yoshinkan Aikidoka walk out of a dojo in disgust at the Never Never Land techniques of some others, so that statement may be true!

As for your Sensei rocking, does he suffer from the same problem as the guy in "The Cube"?

:freaky:

(Note: This message was sent with dry sarcasm. I respect the entire Aikido community and realize my comment is an ignorant and unwarranted display of biased negative input.)

Note: This message was sent with dry sarcasm. I respect the entire Aikido community and realize my comment is NOT an ignorant OR an unwarranted display of biased negative input. Been aroung long enough! :rolleyes:

[Dominic Toupin]

It is that aikido that Henry Ellis refer as a dance ?

[siwilson]

It is that aikido that Henry Ellis refer as a dance ?

NO!

Mr Ellis has his opinion, but mine does not match!!!!!

[Lan Powers]

Very impressive ukemi as well!
Lan

[xuzen]

Of course. It's Yoshinkan!

Wrong wrong wrong SiWilson... It's YoshiOrcs and Grand Chief Orc Mustard makes it look so easy. Hail to the Grand Chief.

Boon.

[maikerus]

I live in Victoria and train in Aikikai but our sensei invited Yoshinkan Mustard Sensei from Burnaby to do a seminar about a year ago. He is a very impressive practitioner of Aikido and is very powerful. He trained the Tokyo Riot Police and several military units in Canada and abroad. HIs Aikido works.

Oh yeah. It works. Have no doubt.

He's also the best teacher of anything I have ever had the privilege of learning from.

--Michael

[Jordan Steele]

Yoshinkan is good, dont' get me wrong but Aikikai is no dance, especially when my teacher was a kensusei under Chiba sensei for five years. USAF-WR rules.

[siwilson]

Some Aikikai is good, dont' get me wrong but Yoshinkan is definitely no dance, especially when my teacher was a Eddy Stratton sensei and now Garry Masters Sensei. Yoshinkan rules!

[Michael Young]

MY SENSEI CAN BEAT UP YOUR SENSEI NANYNANYBOOBOO :confused:

[siwilson]

I DOUBT IT!!! :yuck: :)

[MitchMZ]

Personally, all Aikido styles I've come across are very similar and very powerful...in the end. I train with practicality in mind...and I'm at a USAF affiliated dojo. It all depends on how you train...but, I'm also a mixed martial artist.

[Pauliina Lievonen]

It's funny, my first thought when I saw the clip was "Ohmygod, I've been doing Yoshinkan aikido all this time!" :D Now I don't know how to classify myself anymore - a thuggish sort of an elf?

kvaak
Pauliina

[Dazzler]

Just goes to show there is only aikido.

Yoshinkan,aikika,iwama ryu et al are just different styles of teaching aikido.

If they are different...then they are something else.

May be good something else but its either aikido or it isn't.

There now....group hug anyone?

[maikerus]

I've heard a couple of people (including some of my students) say that in the video Robert Sensei looks too relaxed and that it looks like Nick is throwing himself.

I disagree (mainly because I've been his uke and I flinched at some of the throws on the video), but it does bring up the point (as someone else mentioned to me) that it is very hard to judge someone's Aikido from video and also to learn from video. It might also help explain the airy-fairy reputation Aikido has from demos.

Any comments?

--Michael

[Aristeia]

I agree. My initial thought in looking at the video is alot of the techniques don't look like their "on". It looks like the final throw isn't being completed and that uke is just going. And then there's a couple of the dropping kokyu nage which look just supurb. But if it wasn't for Mustard's reputation I would be raising eybrows at some of the stuff.
But having said all of that, I've seen enough aikido performed before my eyes that I thought was unrealistic until I got my turn at being uke to know that it is wise to reserve judgement until you can feel it for yourself. I mean hell, some of the footage of O'sensei looks that way as well, unfortunately I'll never get the opportunity to feel it.

[Mark Balogh]

My Aikikai sensei rocks

This is an interesting point that I don't often see made here because the common outsider view of Aikikai is that it is "fairy stuff". :D

In my experience, a certain element of the Aikikai are red hot, the best IMO being some soft stylists who are EXTREMELY MARTIAL. I'm not just talking about high grade instructors, although when discussing Shihans, Nishio Sensei is a good example of what I mean. ;)

So in short, I concure... Aikikai Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

[siwilson]

Errr....

Yoshinkan Rocks Harder!

Yah Boo!

:p ;) :D :) :freaky:

[Bronson]

Yoshinkan Rocks Harder!

Nah, YoshiOrcs just have harder rocks in their heads :D

Bronson

[Rocky Izumi]

Oh yeah, well I am the Rock on the rock in this rocking chair. Now, where did I put my cane? Damned these bifocals!

There are more differences between teachers within a single style than there are differences between different styles, or even different arts. There are more differences in teaching style within a single style than there are differences in teaching style between different styles, or even different arts.

Repent all ye Aiki-heretics! Fifty more suwari-waza imiri tenkan in your bare knees on that newly varnished hardwood floor! A hundred more kotegaeshi tobi-ukemi on yourself on to the concrete.

Okay, I'm not that penitent. You can skip the newly varnished hardwood floor and the concrete. Those were a bit of an exaggeration.

Rock
The Aging Aiki-Penitent

[maikerus]

Nah, YoshiOrcs just have harder rocks in their heads :D

Bronson

Whatever works :)

--Michael :cool:

[siwilson]

There are more differences between teachers within a single style than there are differences between different styles, or even different arts.

But not in the foundations of Yoshinkan. Fixed kamae, kihon dosa and kihon waza, even how you sit down!!!!!

Each instructor has their own ideas above that though! ;)

[maikerus]

But not in the foundations of Yoshinkan. Fixed kamae, kihon dosa and kihon waza, even how you sit down!!!!!

Each instructor has their own ideas above that though! ;)

Yeah...everyone still focuses on a different aspect of it.

I mean, if there are 237 different points to think about when you stand in kamae, you know that there are going to be 237 different instructors emphasizing each point...differently

<sigh>

--Michael

[Bronson]

Nah, YoshiOrcs just have harder rocks in their heads

I bet it makes for one hell of a head-butt atemi though ;)

Bronson

or maybe I meant butt-head?? :freaky:

[JJF]

Please... let's stop this p...... contest!!!! It seems like most of us tend to forget that there should be an element of forgiveness in Aikido ;)

Michael Fooks is dead on - you cannot judge any style of aikido based only on video, and why yes Daren, sign me up for a group hug. Preferably followed by a good practice ;D

BTW: Mark - I'll second that statement about Nishio sensei. He incorporates a gentle attitude with a very powerful technique and some potentially rather nasty atemi blows. Too soft fore some - too hard for others. We have different objectives and needs.

I bet no one becomes an aikido shihan without posessing some kind of qualities and a powerful aikido - the nature of each shihans power however may be based on different aspects of Aikido - Let's stop arguing about what kind of power is better than others, and start learning from each other.

[maikerus]

Hmm...I don't really think it is a p..... contest. Although there may be in a point where the thread turned away from the discussion of the video and turned into something else.

I was taking it more as a lot of good natured fun between people who do something very similar but have different tastes.

Anyone every discuss what beer was best (for them) - actually isn't there a thread on that? Should we stop that thread, too? Of course not...because it doesn't really matter.

The point is that the discussion doesn't really matter its just fun to talk about something you enjoy and meet people of similar minds. Based on some of these "discussions" we've had I'm planning on visiting and training with some of the people who are joking together. Unless of course, noone answers the phone when I am in town <sigh>

cheers,

--Michael :cool:

[justinm]

Yeah...everyone still focuses on a different aspect of it.

I mean, if there are 237 different points to think about when you stand in kamae, you know that there are going to be 237 different instructors emphasizing each point...differently

<sigh>

--Michael

Michael, I'm up to 235 points, but the last two have got me beat. I think you must have double counted somewhere :)

Justin

[Sean Kelleher]

It looks like the final throw isn't being completed and that uke is just going.

There are a lot of techniques in the clip that are very smooth looking, but I wonder if it is largely due to the ukes relationship to Robert Mustard.

I quite often see instructors favorite uke being able to receive techniques far more fluidly and effortlessly than other uke do. In many cases it comes down to familiarity with the style and technique of the instructor.

Having said that though, look at the video again, at the 49 second mark; it takes uke several seconds to regain his composure and footing after a very heavy kokyu-nage (uke doesn't even slap from the high fall until after he has hit the ground).

I guess there's something to be said about familiarity and making things look very easy... it looks sensational on video, but may feel very different being on the receiving end.

[maikerus]

Michael, I'm up to 235 points, but the last two have got me beat. I think you must have double counted somewhere :)

Justin

D*mn..you're right. I was counting in Japanese and made a mistake in the translation. My apologies to everyone I misled. :D

--Michael :cool:

[siwilson]

Michael, I'm up to 235 points, but the last two have got me beat. I think you must have double counted somewhere

Justin

D*mn..you're right. I was counting in Japanese and made a mistake in the translation. My apologies to everyone I misled. :D

--Michael :cool:

Hmmm, was it a miss count? Did you count tensing your butt and relaxing your, er, groinal area!

:D

[Ron Tisdale]

I've heard a couple of people (including some of my students) say that in the video Robert Sensei looks too relaxed and that it looks like Nick is throwing himself.

I disagree (mainly because I've been his uke and I flinched at some of the throws on the video), but it does bring up the point (as someone else mentioned to me) that it is very hard to judge someone's Aikido from video and also to learn from video. It might also help explain the airy-fairy reputation Aikido has from demos.

Any comments?

--Michael

I was there in person at that demonstration (you can see me in the stands just as the clip opens) and I've also taken ukemi a couple of times for Mustard Sensei...its not fake, he does throw you, and if your ukemi is not up to snuff (mine often is not) you will feel pain. Little Nick has some really nice ukemi, he is very fit, and from what I hear, a card carrying member of the HARD BASTARD club.

I don't think you can learn from video myself...if you already have a base in the art, you can learn things to add...but the base has to be there already in my opinion. As for judging...I know some people who have very nice aikido that I don't listen to any more when it comes to videos...I know others that I listen to every time. Case by case...as always...

Ron

[siwilson]

True, true!

Or "Batula, batula" as they say in the home of the UK Yoshinkan - Malaysia!

[batemanb]

I was there in person at that demonstration

I saw you Ron :)

[philipsmith]

I've heard a couple of people (including some of my students) say that in the video Robert Sensei looks too relaxed and that it looks like Nick is throwing himself.

I disagree (mainly because I've been his uke and I flinched at some of the throws on the video), but it does bring up the point (as someone else mentioned to me) that it is very hard to judge someone's Aikido from video and also to learn from video. It might also help explain the airy-fairy reputation Aikido has from demos.

Any comments?

--Michael

Totally agree. The late Doshu Ueshiba Kisshamoru was derided in some quarters for his "soft" technique and apparent coreographed Aikido. I only ever took ukeme for him twice but I distinctly remember being shocked at how hard the tatami was especially when it had felt nice and soft two minutes before!

[anselm]

guys, if aikido was all about beating up each other i would instantly stop practicing! didn't osensei himself say that there should be no competition and you should just train for yourself and the only victoy should also be the victory over yourself? and since all "whatevernamed-styles" descend from osensei's aikido - as watanabe sensei, my teacher's sensei said: "all my students are not "my" students, they are students of osensei - i dont get the problem...but to give a statement to the "rocks-discussion": aiki rocks, whether aikikai or yoshinkan aikido or whatever aiki-style...as the names say, its all aiki.

Doka of the Day - December 10, 2004
The sun, the moon and the earth
All have become Aiki.
Standing on this bridge,
The great expanse of the sea is
The Way of the Mountain Echo.

- Morihei Ueshiba

[anselm]

also i did not watch the video yet ;-)

[siwilson]

guys, if aikido was all about beating up each other i would instantly stop practicing!

Well, it is not ALL about that!

[siwilson]

The sun, the moon and the earth
All have become Aiki.
Standing on this bridge,
The great expanse of the sea is
The Way of the Mountain Echo

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the King's horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again

:D

[Vincent Munoz]

One in Budo,

The mountain does not laugh at the river because it is lowly nor the river laughs at the mountain because it cannot move about. O'sensei

Remember this guys from O'sensei

one in budo,

Kohai Bong

[Rocky Izumi]

Totally agree. The late Doshu Ueshiba Kisshamoru was derided in some quarters for his "soft" technique and apparent coreographed Aikido. I only ever took ukeme for him twice but I distinctly remember being shocked at how hard the tatami was especially when it had felt nice and soft two minutes before!
Exact opposite of my experience. When I went to hit him it was like punching smoke. I swear I hit him, at least his gi, but his body wasn't there. When I grabbed, it was like grabbing smoke and the moment I thought "Oh shit." I realized I was already on the ground and didn't realize or feel how I got there. Funny thing, thinking about falling and finding you are already looking up at the ceiling. The people off to the side watching the TV demo being taped said I hit the mats real hard. Maybe I lost consciousness there for a second, I don't know but I can't even remember taking the ukemi so it felt real soft. So, it didn't feel very hard at all even though they said the whole building shook.

Rock

[Ron Tisdale]

Hey Rock, sounds like a truly wild ride!

Aikido...what a gas!
RT

[siwilson]

The mountain does not laugh at the river because it is lowly nor the river laughs at the mountain because it cannot move about. O'sensei

Ring a ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
We all fall down

[Rocky Izumi]

The experience taught me something though. There is little difference between someone throwing themselves when you ask them to and you throwing someone who resists since the objective is the outcome when it comes to throwing someone. I sometimes think of doing techniques in terms of convincing someone it is more comfortable on the ground than standing. If I apply a nikkyo hard enough, most people will go to the ground since it is more comfortable there. I am not trying to take them to the ground, I am just convincing them that standing there in front of me is not a good idea. The same goes for an irimi nage or shiho nage or anything else. I am convincing them that being somewhere else is a good idea because where they are, they are off balance. Then, the same goes for atemi. It is a better idea for uke to be not where my hand is going than to stay where they are. If they are able to react before my hand hits them, then all power to them. If they are too slow, my hand hits them and they are usually convinced that their head or body is in the wrong place.
I think that is what Doshu did. He convinced my body even as I was attacking him so that my mind had not yet caught up and I lost concious track of what was happening. My body could react that fast but my mind couldn't. I was operating on reflex rather than conciousness so my mind never registered the pounding.

Rock

[ravered]

MY SENSEI CAN BEAT UP YOUR SENSEI NANYNANYBOOBOO :confused:

LOL, I would like to see to Aikidoist go at it. Both of your Sensei's just standing there waiting for the other to attack. :D

[siwilson]

LOL, I would like to see to Aikidoist go at it. Both of your Sensei's just standing there waiting for the other to attack.

Nah! My Sensei would attack AND win!!!!!!!!!!

evileyes

[Bill Danosky]

My Aikikai sensei rocks and could clean out an entire dojo of Yoshikaners.

Oh, yeah? Well, who do you think would win between your sensei, Superman and the Terminator?

[Jordan Steele]

My sensei would put up one hell of a fight. He could probably make a wimp like Superman that wears underpants over his tights cry, but it would be a pretty even fight with the Terminator.

[Bill Danosky]

That's cool. Maybe he should have his own comic book, too.

[Bill Danosky]

There are a lot of techniques in the clip that are very smooth looking, but I wonder if it is largely due to the ukes relationship to Robert Mustard.

Having trained once with Mustard Sensei, I expect uke is thinking, "I can either do this the easy way, or the hard way."

[Jordan Steele]

That's cool. Maybe he should have his own comic book, too.
I mention that to him but he's a pretty busy guy...beating up superheros is a time consuming job you know, not to mention running the dojo and feeding his family.

[anselm]

siwilson wrote:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the King's horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again

Great argumentation, really!!! :disgust:

[pcallen]

[I]There once was a woman from Nantucket...

[siwilson]

siwilson wrote:
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the King's horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again

Great argumentation, really!!! :disgust:

Yeah, makes as much sense as what O'Sensei wrote. :D