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Bill Danosky
11-28-2004, 09:10 AM
I'm always hearing Aikido being described with words like "cerebral" and "intellectual" and most people immediately see how philosophy, physics and (sorry, but) theology are integral to Aikido. But how did it get that way?

I practiced Japanese, Okinawan, Chinese and Korean martial arts for twenty years and found it hadn't really prepared me for my recent conversion to Aikido.

Some meditation on this caused me to realize a major difference between what I'm used to and this style is the constantly changing perspective- First, I'm looking at uke from this direction, now this one, now this one. Keeping track of your mental process through all that, as all aikidokas know, takes some getting used to.

Now, the notion I'm advancing is this: Aquiring a new skill like that causes development of different parts of the brain and before long, you wind up thinking about physics, philosophy and theology. You know- "O-Sensei stuff".

I find it striking how intellectual the discussions are on this forum. What's more, even though there are so many different views on subjects, they're generally well presented and intelligently defended.

Personally, when I'm asked why I changed to Aikido, I tend to say things like, "I felt it's where my MA evolution was taking me." So there's a continual reference to mental and spiritual development and progressive idealism (nonviolence, etc.) that leads me to ask this question: Does Aikido make you smarter?

Jordan Steele
11-28-2004, 09:25 AM
I don't think it makes you smarter but I definitely think it makes you sharper. In terms of raw intelligence, I'm not sure Aikido can make you smarter than you already were but it can ehance your potential in areas such as problem solving, logic, concentration (focus), co-ordination, balance...general motor skills. Aikdo makes what you already do more crisp and sharp although those things may appear to be new.

Jeanne Shepard
11-28-2004, 09:57 AM
I think anything that requires learning keeps your brain working. That sort of thing is dupposed to prevent Alzheimer's and other dementias.
Ballroom dancing is supposed to be good for that too.

Jeanne :p

Noel
11-28-2004, 10:10 AM
It's been said before by others more well-spoken then I.

"Karate makes you aggressive,
Judo makes you unimaginative,
Aikido makes you arrogant."

Bill Danosky
11-28-2004, 10:24 AM
I think anything that requires learning keeps your brain working. That sort of thing is dupposed to prevent Alzheimer's and other dementias.
Ballroom dancing is supposed to be good for that too.

Jeanne :p

I'll bet it is- Ballroom dancing has a relational physics-thing that's similar to shite/uke. There seems to be something in that "swing" that activates some part of your brain when you feel it.

How many aikidokas can remember the instant that they were practicing say, randori, and suddenly "got it"?

Who out there can explain that?

Bill Danosky
11-28-2004, 10:31 AM
It's been said before by others more well-spoken then I.

"Karate makes you aggressive,
Judo makes you unimaginative,
Aikido makes you arrogant."


Noel,
I promise to practice double humility out in the rest of the world. But as long as it's just us... :)

aikidoc
11-28-2004, 10:36 AM
If you are truly studying, it probably makes you somwhat smarter in that you are constantly looking for and seeking answers to aikido's puzzles.

bob_stra
11-28-2004, 11:16 AM
Does Aikido make you smarter?

I believe so, yes.

Bad math / pseudo logic alert 101

Intelligence = sum total of cognitive skills (and use thereof)

http://tinyurl.com/5xusn

Gardner theory of cognitive skill types =

(A)Linguistic (B)Logical-Mathematical (C) Kinesthetic (D)Spatial (E) Musical (F) Interpersonal (G)Intrapersonal

http://members.aol.com/adon/intell.htm

Let each type = 1

1+1+1+1+1+1+1=7

Aikido(IMHO) =
+1 to C
+1 D
+1 G

Thus: Aikido may help improve "intelligence"

Related Reading:

Body and Mature Behaviour
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0415210755/qid=1101661546/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-6834303-7971328?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


Potent Self
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1583940685/qid=1101661575/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-6834303-7971328?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Case of Nora
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1883319080/qid=1101661843/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/102-6834303-7971328?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

The mind and the brain
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060393556/qid=1101661942/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-6834303-7971328

...plus many others that I simply haven't read yet.

As for hard research, jump on pubmed or the psych equivalent (which I've visted, but can't recall the URL of)

Bill Danosky
11-28-2004, 01:08 PM
Gardner theory of cognitive skill types =

(A)Linguistic (B)Logical-Mathematical (C) Kinesthetic (D)Spatial (E) Musical (F) Interpersonal (G)Intrapersonal

Let each type = 1

1+1+1+1+1+1+1=7

Aikido(IMHO) =
+1 to C
+1 D
+1 G

Thus: Aikido may help improve "intelligence"



Could timing =+E and could dojo structure or shite/uke relation =+ F?

SeiserL
11-28-2004, 01:28 PM
IMHO, use it or lose it. I don't know if it makes you smarter or if it just utilizes how smart you already are but seldom exercise in this manner.

BTW, smart by what definition, according to who, and how would you measure it?

Noel
11-28-2004, 02:54 PM
Noel,
I promise to practice double humility out in the rest of the world. But as long as it's just us... :)


Sorry Bill, I just find that the more I practice, the more I become a smart-alec. Wouldn't be so bad if I were only getting my own feet stuck in my mouth. :(

Chuck.Gordon
11-28-2004, 03:53 PM
"Karate makes you aggressive,
Judo makes you unimaginative,
Aikido makes you arrogant."

Oooh! I LIKE that.

Chuck

Chuck.Gordon
11-28-2004, 03:54 PM
Does Aikido make you smarter?

Nope.

Chuck

Noel
11-28-2004, 06:01 PM
Oooh! I LIKE that.

Chuck

Not my words, Chuck. I wish I could remember the author. Unfortunately, kids seem to cause this brain-softening process...

-Noel

Lan Powers
11-28-2004, 06:52 PM
How many aikidokas can remember the instant that they were practicing say, randori, and suddenly "got it"?



Just the other night. (for a very brief, shiney moment, well, actually, just a few seconds) :freaky:
Felt pretty great though. :D
Lan

bob_stra
11-28-2004, 09:46 PM
Could timing =+E and could dojo structure or shite/uke relation =+ F?

That's just my point: It 'could' but it doesn't make it automatically so.

Like anything - Aikido is a vehicle. A vehicle needs to be 'tuned' to get the best performance. Plus, how you use it depends on where you get (off road driving, Indy 500 etc).

Though IMHO, aikido is of benefit in the catagories I wrote +1 to (as would be many other things, properly 'driven').

Yeah - done torturing car metaphors now :lol:

Bill Danosky
11-28-2004, 09:52 PM
Gardner theory of cognitive skill types =

(A)Linguistic (B)Logical-Mathematical (C) Kinesthetic (D)Spatial (E) Musical (F) Interpersonal (G)Intrapersonal

http://members.aol.com/adon/intell.htm

Let each type = 1

1+1+1+1+1+1+1=7

Aikido(IMHO) =
+1 to C
+1 D
+1 G

Thus: Aikido may help improve "intelligence"


Thanks, Bob, for helping me articulate what I was thinking. I believe specifically, I was wrestling with "spatial orientation" and "kinesthetic" sense and how they might increase intelligence.

Maybe "inspire perceptive thought" or something like that would be safer to say than "make you smarter". But it wouldn't get as many people talking and I really am interested to see what opinions some of the big minds out there have.

Now, please stop me if I've obviously misunderstood, but Aikido seems loaded with opportunities for a linguistic workout just by learning all the Japanese terminologies. +1A?

I'm no mathematician, but there seems to be a lot of geometry in the applications, especially the footwork and stances. Logical principals- of leverage and other aspects of physics are evidenced in the various nage. +1B?

Kinesthetics and Spatial are stipulated to. Definitely +1C and +1D.

I'm also not a musician, but the zen saying goes, "It's the space between the bars that holds the tiger. The space between the notes that makes the music." Extending that metaphor, one could say (with some fear of contradiction) that timing is a musical exercise.

Also, in O-Sensei's book The Essence of Aikido, he explains in the very first mandala "Ame no Takemusu Aiki Waza" that Aikido's basis is about the arrangement of the Kotodama- the seed sounds of the universe in a "U-U-U-YU-MU" pattern. This is considered by some to be pretty far out stuff, and considered by some to be essential to "getting it". At least for some, that's +1E (Musical). Are there any Ki Society brothers or sisters who can weigh in on this?

I'd say the Interpersonal is definitely emphasized since dojo tradition establishes a fully nuanced, societal hierarchy. So does this forum! The relationship between shite (nage) and uke is also an obvious hedge to this point. +1F.

Intrapersonal is everyone's journey. In the final analysis, I believe it's the only measurement that really counts. I could get into a whopper of a discussion about Shinto/Buddhist meditational progression, but I'll save that for another thread...

In looking at the discussion being had here -and all over Aikiweb- I'm satisfied that something funny is going on here. Either Aikido makes you smarter, or people being smarter makes Aikido. But I still don't know if it's the chicken or the egg.

So, am I right on, or far out? :hypno:

Choku Tsuki
11-28-2004, 10:46 PM
It makes me feel smarter.

Thomas Ambrose
11-28-2004, 11:17 PM
Gardner theory of cognitive skill types =

(A)Linguistic (B)Logical-Mathematical (C) Kinesthetic (D)Spatial (E) Musical (F) Interpersonal (G)Intrapersonal


Actually Howard Gardner has since added an eighth additional cognitive skill to his Theory of Multiple Intelligences... (H)Existential, which may or may not apply to this thread! :)

Big fan of Gardner I am!

markwalsh
11-29-2004, 05:54 AM
Opinions:

Does aikido make you smarter in the common sense understanding of smartness? No.
Does aikido help with skills relating to kinesthetic/spatial abilities that can be included in wider definitions? Probably.
Does it keep you thinking and slow some of the degeneration of aging? It should do.
Does aikido help you to, "learn how to learn", enhancing your ability to pick up other things? It can do, but depends on how you're taught and how you learn naturally.
Can blows to the head and hard ukemi when dehydrated lead to a loss of intelligence? Er...wot, I don't get it.... pass the aspirin.

Personally I think aikido attracts thoughtful people due to its nature. In most cases...

Mark

Mark Balogh
11-29-2004, 07:51 AM
There is quite a bit of potential variety in Aikido which makes the thinking varied and you have to think in milliseconds to do what is appropriate at the time. :crazy: :D

Due to this IMO it makes you think quicker. It also challenges you and give you excellent learning, focus and awareness skills through long term practise. :)

Bradence
11-29-2004, 02:23 PM
I would have to agree with Lynn Seiser and Mark Walsh, Aikido attracts thoughtful people. I would also say that there is a component of intellignece in personality, at least as far as these message boards are concerned. Whenever people give their opinions there are a number of reactions. On most message boards the desire to attack and try to make someone look foolish is much more prevalent than it is here. I would say that the spiritual/philosophical side of Aikido influences people to moderate those impulses. I'm not sure if you could call it intelligence, I think it certainly makes people seem more intelligent. I'm much more likely to take criticism from someone who is very careful and diplomatic about it than someone who reacts with disdain because I "don't get it." I'm certainly more likely to see the former as more intelligent than the latter even though raw intelligence may not be a factor there.

Brad(ence)

Amassus
11-29-2004, 03:35 PM
Aikido has given the ability to be patient with myself. This in turn allows me to handle problems in my life easier from problem solving in the work place through to day to day activities. I am now a much more able person which could be mistaken for 'smarter'. I'm certainly no more intelligent than what I was before starting aikido training.

I also agree with comments above concerning the art drawing in thoughtful people. I work in the science field and I know of at least four others in the club that come from science backgrounds and yet another who teaches physics. I would place all of us in the 'thoughtful' basket.

Natasha Ritchie
11-29-2004, 05:49 PM
I would say that aikido doesn't make you smarter, it just attracts the more intelligent members of the species - those who are slightly above the idea that the answer to violence is to hurt someone. Coming from Belfast you see too many of the type who think the answer to every conflict is violence, whether it is necessary or not. So far, in my somewhat limited experience, I would definitely say that the people who do aikido already have the intelligence to act with more thought and consideration or they would be off somewhere learning how to break someones neck using their bare hands.

Bronson
11-29-2004, 06:12 PM
Hmmm,


We spend money to have pain inflicted on us.
We then say thank you and ask to have it done on the other side.
We willingly subject ourselves to hours of physical, mental, and spiritual training that is often painful and almost always frustrating.
We think it's "neat" when we are choked unconcious or nearly so.
We think flipping end over end and hitting the floor with the velocity of a small comet also warrants the "neat" designation.
We (at least I) sit around poking ourselves to see if we can still find those pressure points we learned.
Deep down inside we get some sick pleasure from mat burns.


I think we're all idiots :D

Bronson

maikerus
11-30-2004, 12:03 AM
At least we're smart, thoughtful idiots :D

I remember I was showing some pictures from a demo I did to a friend of mine. In this particular demo I was attacking my instructor with a jo. My friend looked at the pictures and then looked at me and said something like...

"So. You have a big stick and you're trying to hit this old Japanese guy. And he takes the stick away from you and then whacks you with it. He then gives the stick back to you and you try and hit him again, with the same result. You get whacked.

How many times did you try and do this? Don't you learn?!"

Bronson
11-30-2004, 12:25 AM
How many times did you try and do this? Don't you learn?!"

Umm, no...we don't :confused:

My sensei will often have me in a lock or pin during demonstration of a technique. He'll ask me to try to hit him so I try to lay one in there. The pain is usually, well......impressive. Then he'll do the same thing on the other side with the same result. One of the students once asked "why do you attack just as hard the second time when you know what will happen". It's my job I replied :drool:

Bronson

maikerus
11-30-2004, 12:56 AM
Umm, no...we don't :confused:

My sensei will often have me in a lock or pin during demonstration of a technique. He'll ask me to try to hit him so I try to lay one in there. The pain is usually, well......impressive. Then he'll do the same thing on the other side with the same result. One of the students once asked "why do you attack just as hard the second time when you know what will happen". It's my job I replied :drool:


Hey! I resemble those remarks!! :D

Bronson
11-30-2004, 01:02 AM
Hey! I resemble those remarks!! :D

Oh crap, now I'm doing things those insane Yoshinkan senshusei graduates do. They're gonna revoke my aiki-fruitie card for sure now ;)

Bronson

rachel
11-30-2004, 04:22 AM
Does Aikido make you smarter?
I think that from Aikido, we definately gain better coordination and spatial awareness.
I've been practicing Aikido from childhood, and as a kid, I was always the best at imitating movement. I think that from Aikido training I have good skills of observaiton. I like to think I'm smart. ;)

Dario Rosati
11-30-2004, 08:51 AM
Does Aikido make you smarter?

Given the tons of crap (business or real life related) I've heard outside the mat from mouths by higher ranked people of any rank (kyu up to 6th dan), I dare to say, Aikido doesn't make you any smarter than any other human activity.
High ranked people may be wiser (it's probably an age factor, rather than aikido rank), but as D&D clearly explains, wisdom and intelligence are two completely different things :D

Bye!

happysod
11-30-2004, 09:06 AM
me was reel stoopid until I find aikido!

(please tell me this thread escaped from the humour section..)

OT - Bronson, three no-touch throws and some breathing exercises for penance - shame on you

maikerus
11-30-2004, 05:23 PM
Oh crap, now I'm doing things those insane Yoshinkan senshusei graduates do. They're gonna revoke my aiki-fruitie card for sure now ;)


<Riiiippp> <--- Sound of Aiki-fruitie card being torn to pieces.

Bronson...you are now always welcome at the RYA dojo :D

--Michael

Martin Ruedas
11-30-2004, 07:57 PM
Aikido makes you you

bob_stra
11-30-2004, 09:17 PM
Thanks, Bob, for helping me articulate what I was thinking. I believe specifically, I was wrestling with "spatial orientation" and "kinesthetic" sense and how they might increase intelligence.

Maybe "inspire perceptive thought" or something like that would be safer to say than "make you smarter". But it wouldn't get as many people talking and I really am interested to see what opinions some of the big minds out there have.

Now, please stop me if I've obviously misunderstood, but Aikido seems loaded with opportunities for a linguistic workout just by learning all the Japanese terminologies. +1A?

... SNIP....


I think you're taking it too far now. Kinesthetic and spatial - sure, +1. Intrapersonal, manybe +1. The others...+0.000001 if you're lucky. Certainly I think a good crossword puzzle would contribute more to your linguistic intelligence than aikido would.

IMHO. YMMV.

(say...where can I get me one of those aiki-fruity cards you're all ripping up? Are they scented / scratch & sniff - I'd like a raspberry one)

Joezer M.
12-02-2004, 01:48 AM
but as D&D clearly explains, wisdom and intelligence are two completely different things :D


D&D = Dungeons and Dragons right?
Well, in aikido we focus (more or less) on empty handed techniques, with varying degrees of weapon training... We also wear no armour... So the most appropriate class would be monk... Monks need high dexterity and wisdom, good strength (unless you have the weapon finesse feat), and since we're mostly playing solo we need good charisma as well... As such, it doesn't levae much points to spend on Intelligence...

So, you can't be a good aikidoka if you have high intelligence (and as you level up, you better spend points on dexterity or wisdom, so you aren't getting smarter either.. :D )

Regards,

PeterR
12-02-2004, 01:59 AM
Well by Ikkyu I was a smart ass.

Zato Ichi
12-02-2004, 08:51 AM
D&D = Dungeons and Dragons right?
Well, in aikido we focus (more or less) on empty handed techniques, with varying degrees of weapon training... We also wear no armour... So the most appropriate class would be monk... Monks need high dexterity and wisdom, good strength (unless you have the weapon finesse feat), and since we're mostly playing solo we need good charisma as well... As such, it doesn't levae much points to spend on Intelligence...

So, you can't be a good aikidoka if you have high intelligence (and as you level up, you better spend points on dexterity or wisdom, so you aren't getting smarter either.. :D )

AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION
Aikidoka have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Constitution is especially important for aikidoka, as they will be thrown repeatedly at the ground at high velocity, and need to be able to recover quickly so they can be thrown at the ground at high velocity again. A high dexterity is also desirable, so they can recover quickly as possible, and then be thrown at the ground again. Aikidoka generally have low Wisdom, as evidenced by their willingness to be thrown repeatedly to the ground at high velocity, and claim it's good for their training. Aikidoka with high Strength are known as Shodothugs. Evil aikidoka are called Yoshingoons. Evil aikidoka with high strength are called @&#^$ Bastards
Alignment: Any, but aikidoka cannot be neutral. They're really opinionated.
Hit Die: d8

CLASS FEATURES
All of the following are class features of the aikidoka.
Weapon and Armour Proficiency: Aikidoka are proficient with bokken and jo.
Aikidoka are not proficient with armour or shields, but they can wear a specialized piece of armor called hakama. Although just made from a light fabric, the hakama provides a surprisingly good AC, due to the fact that it looks like a big, fluffy skirt and monsters and other classes will have a hard time taking a swing at the aikido through their fits of laughter. The downside is that every time an aikidoka moves in hakama, they must make a Dexterity check or fall flat on their faces (consult the Hakama Injury Table).
Grab My Wrist: any creature who grabs the aikidoka's wrist will take double damage from the aikidoka's attacks as long as they are in contact.
The Unbendable Arm: The aikidoka's arm becomes unbendable. Not much use, but a great party trick.
Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.

happysod
12-02-2004, 08:56 AM
Hori the dojo master has touched my inner geek, this thread should now throw a saving roll against hijack

Bill Danosky
12-02-2004, 10:03 AM
I think all you people are pretty awesome and I'm really happy with the way this thread is turning out. As I've mentioned before, when I am curious or just thinking about something (rather than take the time to properly research it myself), I like to submit it to the "tribe mentality" and find out what other people know and think.

There's a third factor in my equation now, that the association of all these brilliant minds raises the bar through some kind of synergy. Back in my Tae Kwon Do days, I had a Gwan Jang Nim with quite a marvelous mind and he had an analogy about a campfire- That the heat was multiplied by the fires of all the individual logs together, etc. There seems to be evidence of this effect everywhere- in universities, laboratories, dojos and web forums like this one.

Being around people who are of a higher caliber in some way inspires me to become better in some way, too. Maybe that's a half-answer for Lynn Seiser's question about defining "smarter". It seems obvious to me now that smart/wise/enlightened/brilliant/insert-your-definition-here minds must gravitate together and oscillate in a way which amplifies the mysterious energy at work.

I'm not afraid to make some pretty far stretches for a tasty concept, as you must be aware by now.

maikerus
12-02-2004, 07:15 PM
AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION
Aikidoka have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Aikidoka with high Strength are known as Shodothugs. Evil aikidoka are called Yoshingoons. Evil aikidoka with high strength are called @&#^$ Bastards

CLASS FEATURES
Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.

Just for the record. I believe the correct term for the "Evil Aikidoka" is YoshiOrc and not (as shown above) Yoshingoon.

Sorry...just had to make that clear :p Otherwise a good summary <grin>

--Michael...who enjoys the company of both Shodothugs and YoshiOrcs (and YoshiOrclets)

Zato Ichi
12-02-2004, 08:41 PM
Just for the record. I believe the correct term for the "Evil Aikidoka" is YoshiOrc and not (as shown above) Yoshingoon.

Sorry...just had to make that clear :p Otherwise a good summary <grin>

Thanks Michel. I'll make sure to include it in the errata when it's published, as well as information on the highly asked for aikifruitie prestige class!

PeterR
12-02-2004, 08:47 PM
I have to ask. Obviously the female of the species does not mind the term YoshiOrclets as we have surviving YoshiOrcs (I assume Orclets is not referring to little Orcs) but what will we do with Shodothugs. Personally I think the name should cover both - I just can not imagine living long after I called someone a Shodothugette.

Joezer M.
12-02-2004, 09:57 PM
Aikido with D&D rules = turn based aikido played with dice? And instead of a sensei you have a dojo master.... hmmmm.... :)

Regards,

xuzen
12-02-2004, 10:17 PM
I have to ask. Obviously the female of the species does not mind the term YoshiOrclets as we have surviving YoshiOrcs (I assume Orclets is not referring to little Orcs) but what will we do with Shodothugs. Personally I think the name should cover both - I just can not imagine living long after I called someone a Shodothugette.

Dear Hori-San,

Michael tells me you have broken some digit... get well soon, we need you to continue to draw humurous caricuture. ;)

Dear PeterR,
Chief Yoshiorc = Stumpy
Female Yoshiorc = They exist? Where? I am getting lonely.
All other non-chief Yoshiorcs = Yoshiorclets.

Boon - Proud to be an YoshiOrc

maikerus
12-02-2004, 10:30 PM
I have to ask. Obviously the female of the species does not mind the term YoshiOrclets as we have surviving YoshiOrcs (I assume Orclets is not referring to little Orcs) but what will we do with Shodothugs. Personally I think the name should cover both - I just can not imagine living long after I called someone a Shodothugette.

I don't know...as long as you explain that you mean the term in an endearing/nice way.

I survived calling a friend of mine "wenchette" all through university. Of course I had to explain (VERY QUICKLY the first time) that it was a term of affection. After that she just accepted it. :D

--Michael

xuzen
12-02-2004, 10:41 PM
AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION

Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.

Ki? Ki are for Sissies.

Boon,
Member of Yoshiorc.

bob_stra
12-03-2004, 12:09 AM
AIKIDOKA
GAME RULE INFORMATION
Aikidoka have the following game statistics.
Abilities: Constitution is especially important for aikidoka, as they will be thrown repeatedly at the ground at high velocity, and need to be able to recover quickly so they can be thrown at the ground at high velocity again. A high dexterity is also desirable, so they can recover quickly as possible, and then be thrown at the ground again. Aikidoka generally have low Wisdom, as evidenced by their willingness to be thrown repeatedly to the ground at high velocity, and claim it's good for their training. Aikidoka with high Strength are known as Shodothugs. Evil aikidoka are called Yoshingoons. Evil aikidoka with high strength are called @&#^$ Bastards
Alignment: Any, but aikidoka cannot be neutral. They're really opinionated.
Hit Die: d8

CLASS FEATURES
All of the following are class features of the aikidoka.
Weapon and Armour Proficiency: Aikidoka are proficient with bokken and jo.
Aikidoka are not proficient with armour or shields, but they can wear a specialized piece of armor called hakama. Although just made from a light fabric, the hakama provides a surprisingly good AC, due to the fact that it looks like a big, fluffy skirt and monsters and other classes will have a hard time taking a swing at the aikido through their fits of laughter. The downside is that every time an aikidoka moves in hakama, they must make a Dexterity check or fall flat on their faces (consult the Hakama Injury Table).
Grab My Wrist: any creature who grabs the aikidoka's wrist will take double damage from the aikidoka's attacks as long as they are in contact.
The Unbendable Arm: The aikidoka's arm becomes unbendable. Not much use, but a great party trick.
Ki Attack: By channeling ki through his body, the aikido can launch a fiery attack at his opponents. The aikidoka must yell HADOKEN! or KAMEHAMEYA! as this attack is launched. Shodothugs and Yoshingoons cannot use this special ability, and will, in fact, deny any knowledge of it's existence.

-snork-

That's pretty damn funny

2 points

Now...do the other 2 pernennial aikiweb favourites: judoka and BJJ'er.

Bronson
12-03-2004, 02:51 AM
Ki? Ki are for Sissies.

Ah yes. Ki is like fire to YoshiOrcs. It's bright and burns when it touches there leathery wart covered hides. They fear it because although they can feel it's presence and effects it has no substance and cannot be touched. This confuses the YoshiOrcs for they are simpletons who care not for the higher pursuits.

Bronson 2nd level aiki-fruity prestige class (who sincerely hopes all the friendly YoshiOrcs take this as a joke because I'm pretty sure they could all pound me into the ground like a tent stake :D )

happysod
12-03-2004, 04:32 AM
This thread has failed it's saving throw... (yours, aiki-fruity premium coward class with camp distinction)

jkorst
12-03-2004, 06:43 PM
Does Aikido make you smarter?

Aikido can make you smarter, but only under certain conditions:

Your teacher must have a black belt in at least 7 different martial arts, preferably several that you've never heard of.

He must be ranked 10 dan, the founder of his own system and insist on being referred to as Soke

He must be a master of no touch throws, and have ki extension that could knock you down at a distance of 15 feet if only you were capable of withstanding such an advanced technique.

He should have a number of photos of himself posing with a katana. Extra points if it has the highlander grip.

What's that? You think that these are signs that you should run away and find another Sensei?

Hey, you're getting smarter already!

xuzen
12-04-2004, 12:46 AM
Chief Yoshiorc = Stumpy
Female Yoshiorc = They exist? Where? I am getting lonely.
All other non-chief Yoshiorcs = Yoshiorclets.

Errata:

Male gender = YoshiOrc
Female = YoshiOrlette
Young or Kyu grades = YoshiOrclings

Boon.

dan guthrie
12-04-2004, 08:53 AM
This question sounds like a golden opportunity for a PhD thesis in about four different fields. Listening to Mozart gives a temporary effect, why not Aikido?
I don't feel any smarter but I do feel like a better person, not superior to others, just a refined version of my original self. Please, no Microsoft/DOS version jokes.

chrisward
12-04-2004, 06:18 PM
Bronson your post proves Aikido has the most clever practicioner's of all...Very funny and very true.....