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Anonymous
07-29-2004, 10:22 PM
Hi people,

A rose by any other name still smell as sweet;
a skunk by any other name still smell as bad...

OK, sorry for the cute little poem. I live in a country outside Japan and in this country of mine, we have a long and proud history / affiliation with the Yoshinkan style. My sensei is a one of the pioneer Yoshinkan practitioner to this country.

He had one particular student who was a nidan then. This student was very impatient, he wanted to go up the ranks very quickly. Later he fell out of favor from my sensei. He no longer attend class. However sometime later, in the local press we read that he claims to be a FOUNDER of Yoshinkan Aikido Academy of [Name of Country]. We asked around out of curiosity and we know from rumor that he attended the Hombu Instructor course not too long ago.

To claim to be a technical adviser, instructor in residence or chief instructor of your particular dojo is a norm for anyone who wanted to manage his/her own dojo, but to claim to be a FOUNDER? Isn't it too much?

This brings me back to the little cute poem on top, it just leaves a bad aftertaste. So what do you all think? Any comment?

Rocky Izumi
11-22-2004, 08:59 PM
So if your sensei is the founder and this other person claims otherwise, then your sensei should go and challenge the other sensei to combat or hard practice! If such an unexcusable insult is given, it is given as a challenge and should be harmoniously taken up!

It is an issue they will have to take up between themselves. Don't get involved.

Rock

Bronson
11-23-2004, 12:26 AM
I'm confused. Is he claiming to be the founder of a new syle of aikido or is he claiming to be a the founder of a new dojo/organization.

My sensei is the founder of our dojo his sensei was the founder of our organization....

Bronson

Anoynymous
11-23-2004, 02:33 AM
I'm confused. Is he claiming to be the founder of a new syle of aikido or is he claiming to be a the founder of a new dojo/organization.

My sensei is the founder of our dojo his sensei was the founder of our organization....

Bronson

He claims to be founder of an Organization where is just an off-shoot of the parent organization. I guess is just for political mileage really.

kung fu hamster
11-23-2004, 09:03 AM
What bothers you about the 'founder' label, the rift between instructor and student or his nidan rank? Just because a student is no longer with his/her teacher doesn't mean s/he has to negate their years of training and chuck it all down the toilet. Koichi Tohei and Toyoda Sensei come to mind, among others. If they weren't good at what they do, that's another matter. My 2 cents.

maikerus
11-23-2004, 06:13 PM
A founder is just someone who is one of the people who do all the work to set up an organization, company, etc. It's a good word that means that they have been there since the beginning of the organization.

I am a founder of my company and my dojo, but definately not my profession or my style of Aikido. But people feel good to hear that I have an emotional and long term investment in both places.

If, on the other hand, this person is trying to usurp the place of the "Founder of the first Yoshinkan Dojo in <country>" then I see that is being a problem. But calling yourself a founder of something you put together yourself is just common sense.

My few yen,

--Michael

bryce_montgomery
12-09-2004, 10:05 PM
I have to agree with Michael. There really isn't anything wrong with him calling himself the founder of the organization or whatever he put together, that's just telling people what you've accomplished...like calling yourself a doctor...It'd be taken that same way.

But that's just my opinion,
Bryce

bryce_montgomery
12-09-2004, 10:06 PM
P.S. - I like your "My few yen" Michael.

maikerus
12-09-2004, 10:25 PM
P.S. - I like your "My few yen" Michael.

And I spend them all here <sigh> :)

--Michael :cool: