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anonymouse
07-21-2004, 02:08 PM
Question: How do you communicate to an instructor that they talk too much?

During class, you can be practicing and the instructor will come along and correct what you are doing. Sensei points out what you did wrong, what to do right and why it is that way. In the process of doing so, so much time goes by that you end up getting to do the technique 3 or maybe 4 times and then that's it. The class moves on to the next thing.

How do you communicate that you would rather corrections be to the point and then get back to it?

And while we are on the subject, lately students are talking during class. Sensei will be demonstrating something and a student will interupt to share a revelation or thought or example. Or worse, those in the back of class will be talking (maybe about aikdo) and not paying attention.

Too much talking all around. Any pointers on how to lessen it?

vanstretch
07-23-2004, 11:18 AM
i hear ya. you just want to train and want more "do", and less "talk". Just remember that EVERYTHING is your teacher and try to be open to that. It could be that others may need more verbal explaination to clarify. I still side with you that less talk and more walk is the way. Keep on, take care.

NagaBaba
07-23-2004, 11:49 AM
Want less talking and more practice? Find a good dojo.

shihonage
07-23-2004, 01:58 PM
Your instructor is the source of all this.
This will not change unless your instructor is replaced.

ruthmc
07-23-2004, 02:35 PM
Question: How do you communicate to an instructor that they talk too much?
Politely :)

During class, you can be practicing and the instructor will come along and correct what you are doing. Sensei points out what you did wrong, what to do right and why it is that way. In the process of doing so, so much time goes by that you end up getting to do the technique 3 or maybe 4 times and then that's it. The class moves on to the next thing.
Some instructors are like that. Poor time perception perhaps? I don't know. However, only you can decide if this is too irritating, or it's something you can live with. Another option is to get so good you don't need to be corrected ;)

How do you communicate that you would rather corrections be to the point and then get back to it?
You can't. This would be considered interfering with the teaching, which is not in your remit as a student unless the teacher requests feedback.The best option is to encourage your instructor to go to a course where he/she will be taught HOW to teach a class. You can download some useful info about teaching from http://www.bab.org.uk/downloads/downloads.html - go to the coaching handbook.

And while we are on the subject, lately students are talking during class. Sensei will be demonstrating something and a student will interupt to share a revelation or thought or example. Or worse, those in the back of class will be talking (maybe about aikdo) and not paying attention.
If the teacher allows / encourages this, there's not a lot you can do except to decide whether or not you can put up with it.

Too much talking all around. Any pointers on how to lessen it?
Ask the other students how they feel about it. If there are a few of you who feel the same way, it might be worth tactfully approaching your instructor as a group to discuss it.

Hope this is helpful,
Good luck whatever you decide,

Ruth

DCP
07-23-2004, 04:56 PM
Want less talking and more practice? Find a good dojo.

I have heard many stories that O'Sensei would spend a great deal of time lecturing. Hmm? Would you think his dojo was no good?

Dario Rosati
07-23-2004, 06:56 PM
Want less talking and more practice? Find a good dojo.

Want less "hey! look at my obscene level of coolness and silently-try-to-keep-up-if-you're-able" stuff? Find a good dojo.

As a beginner, I dare to say that I absolutely HATE speechless classes/senseis.

I WANT to know the why and the why not of what I'm beginnign to learn.
Aikido is HARD and looks SILLY (expecially some uke actions) at the start to begginers eye, unless you're a talented master who's able to let your students perceive what's behind the bare and basisc form; I'm not able by far to do some techniques properly, but I can perceive their logic with my mind after proper explaining and this makes me anxious to practice/learn them.

A simple "look-and-do" approach makes me feel like an idiot puppy who makes senseless stuff... I would have quit if my master would have been of that sort (and I've meet some of that sort, unfortunately).

This is a highly subjective matter, I fear... no offence intended, take this like the humble opinion of a 10 month practice guy... maybe for yudansha the total silence approach is better; I (6th kyu) prefer a master who explains by words every single step of every single tecnique (openings/atemi/reversal/uke role included) from the very beginning, than a shihan-soke-super-sayan of XXXVIII dan that dances blazingly fast with his 6th dan uke around the mat saying "ehi! look at us and try to do the same in silence".
Extremely cool to look, but damn boring after 2-3 lessons, since I'm not even able to keep foots straight at the start, and quickly realize that you need something completely different if you want to effectively LEARN something and not just sitting in awe drooling on the mat...

Just my 2 eurocents.

Bye!

Bronson
07-24-2004, 02:29 AM
His school his rules. I know our sensei doesn't consider the dojo to be a democracy, more of a benevolent dictatorship. You can either accept how it's run or not, your choice.

Bronson

DaveO
07-24-2004, 09:12 AM
Depends on the Sensei, really - what his personal teaching style is.
I tend to talk a lot when coaching; to me it's important a student understand why something is happening rather than just what is happening. Of course; there's a line - and I probably cross it frequently - being a teacher is as much a neverending learning process as being a student is.
On the other side; there are teachers that excel in the physical repetition style of instruction; as well as those who don't explain enough. Finding your way as a teacher is an amazingly confusing process. :D
So; it's not an easy question. As a rank beginner; I was constantly irritated by the long-winded (to me) blather about 'ki-this' and 'ki-that'; but as I started to understand a bit of what was going on; I began to appreciate its importance more.
I also began training with an instructor that is wholly physical in training style - works superbly for him.
So; my advice would be to listen carefully to what's being said - it might be possible it's more important than the technique itself. If that doesn't turn out to be the case; I'd recommend either very respectfully broaching the subject on a one-on-one level; or if that fails possibly looking at alternative dojos. :)
Cheers!

SeiserL
07-24-2004, 12:14 PM
Question: How do you communicate to an instructor that they talk too much?

How do you communicate that you would rather corrections be to the point and then get back to it?

Too much talking all around. Any pointers on how to lessen it?

I guess everything is relative and self-referenced. "Too much talking" for who? You. Maybe other are getting a lot out of it. Perhaps you are being selfish and need to work on your own acceptance of things as they are and change your attitude rather than expecting the world to be the way you want it to be.

OTOH, talk with your Sensei, explain that you learn best by doing, and ask that they demonstrate with you. Let them know you are having troubles intellectually transferring the talk to your training.

OR, as Sensei is explaining, try to visualize in your mind what they are saying. Let your body move slightly with their description or explanation. See if you can transfer the verbal descriptions into physical sensation.

This is a great learning opportunity on how to enter and blend with what is. Sometimes the verbal explanations will make sense later and make your training better because you understand the concepts.

BTW, I do agree. Even in my own training, at times I talk too much. At other times, I wish I were given more verbal instructions.

Okay, now all of us , back to the mats.

dan guthrie
08-10-2004, 10:42 AM
My experience has been to keep my mouth shut and let sensei teach, whatever that leads to and however she wants to do it. I've opened my mouth on numerous occasions and I've almost always regretted it, sometimes deeply.
Silence is difficult for me. My parents taught me correctly but my work experience has sabotaged all of their good efforts.
One of the best things I've learned in the dojo is the importance of good manners. Aikido comes to me slowly this way but it does get to me eventually. I just have faith. It's never failed me in the past.
I got the giggles a few days ago. My partner is always on the verge of laughing and he got me going. I know it annoyed the substitute sensei we had that night. I wish I'd just sat down on the edge of the mat for a minute or two.

AsimHanif
08-10-2004, 10:50 AM
I have to agree with the posts above that state if you want more activity, find another dojo. I went through this myself. The instructor was highly regarded and the dojo was easier to get to than others. But I found myself feeling cheated. I spent a great deal of time to get there and I'd do 1 or 2 techniques. I spent most of the time sitting and listening to a lecture. I'm sure there were some who found this great but it is not for me. I don't mind talks that are relevant or help to assist the training but going off on a tangent is another thing.

Lan Powers
08-12-2004, 12:00 AM
It is a delicate balance.
(I am too chatty)
Lan

ian
08-12-2004, 05:48 AM
There is definately a time for talking and a time for training. Don't forget your sensei is a human being, and, if like me, has only had a few years experience instructing, they may not be aware of the problem. Maybe you should mention/infer that you don't get enough time to practise those things he/she talks about? The worst that can happen is that his ego gets in the way and you have to go to a new club. However you may also improve the club and teaching tremendously. (good martial artists are not always good teachers, and the teacher-student relationship is a 2-way thing).

Ian

ian
08-12-2004, 05:51 AM
P.S. I think, contrary to 'traditional training methods' verbal instruction is absolutely necessary to learn the principles quickly. However to be able to DO aikido and to get physical feedback (and thus further questions) you need good solid practise as well.

NagaBaba
08-12-2004, 10:16 AM
I have heard many stories that O'Sensei would spend a great deal of time lecturing. Hmm? Would you think his dojo was no good?
How many O senseis are in the World? He was an exception, but exception only confirms a rule :)

NagaBaba
08-12-2004, 10:19 AM
Want less "hey! look at my obscene level of coolness and silently-try-to-keep-up-if-you're-able" stuff? Find a good dojo.

As a beginner, I dare to say that I absolutely HATE speechless classes/senseis.

I WANT to know the why and the why not of what I'm beginnign to learn.
Bye!
You , italians, simply cant stop talking. I saw a video of en Italian instructor, 7 th dan. He talked all time, 2 hours, not only while explaining techniques, but also during practice itself.
It was horrible. So much noise. I couldn't hear me thinking ;)

Dario Rosati
08-12-2004, 11:09 AM
You , italians, simply cant stop talking. I saw a video of en Italian instructor, 7 th dan. He talked all time, 2 hours, not only while explaining techniques, but also during practice itself.
It was horrible. So much noise. I couldn't hear me thinking ;)

Ehehe :D
We are very "talky" people by nature and this reflects in Aikido, too ;)
My sensei is talky, too... he loves to explain every bit of every tecnique he shows and I like him this way... but not during practice (even if he sometimes stops pairs practicing incorrectly and show/explain what and why is wrong).

Generally in my dojo the thing never degenerates in "noise" on the mat, only a question now and then to sensei or to sempai... and I think this fit perfectly from a didactical standpoint, 100% silence is damn booooring... and you learn slower, IMHO.

Even a simple "Ehi, are you feeling something THIS or THAT way, or are you just tossing yourself around to look cool?" may help us beginners.

Bye!

Lyle Laizure
08-15-2004, 10:54 PM
Nothing you can do. It would be inappropriate.

maikerus
08-16-2004, 03:48 AM
This is something that I've thought alot about both as a student and as an instructor. Its really difficult to tell how much talking is good or needed in any given class.

An instructor balances many different levels and personalities within a given class. They have to find a balance that gives all people in the class the opportunity to learn the best way *for that student*. Sometimes a lot of talking and explanation of what and why is important. At other times the physical repetition of a technique time after time after time again is the best thing for the majority of the class. And of course there are those classes that fall in between.

I feel that from a student point of view the best way to get out of the "my instructor is talking too much" mindset is is to find a like-minded partner and agree with them to train and to train hard. Don't ask questions of the instructor while doing the technique. Don't even make questioning eye contact. Don't stop to talk with your partner about how they felt while you did the technique or while they are doing the technique to you. Just train. Hard, strong atemi. Good kiai. Quickly up to start again. Your instructor should figure out whats going on and leave you be until you make a mistake that has to be corrected.

On the other hand, I suggest listening carefully when your instructor goes on and on about a technique or a concept. He or she is giving out pearls of wisdom and analogies that just might make it easier for you to understand what's going on. Or give you an insight into something you've already experienced. Or at least give you something to remember so that you can figure out something new a little sooner. That's what they're there for...to give you an opportunity to learn from their experience and their training. Don't ignore half of what they give.

My last point. The talking "maybe about Aikido" at the back of the class is completely unacceptable. IMHO, the instructor should use these people for uke for a few extreme Aikido moments to make sure they are paying attention. Any unsolicited comment (as opposed to respectfully asking permission to ask a question or make an observation) should be treated the same way.

Sharing my few thoughts,

--Michael

Hanna B
08-16-2004, 07:23 AM
Possibly, one could give positive feedback after a class when the instructor talked less than usual. "It was really great that we got so much time to train each technique", or something similar.

gilsinnj
08-16-2004, 10:27 AM
If your Aikido instructor is being observant (my guess is that he isn't), he'll notice you getting a glazed over expression when he's going into the longer discussions. My instructor is known to be long winded, but he's learned that he can't do this too often or he starts boring his students. He's still training in his teaching technique, so he's constantly adjusting to what works and what doesn't.

On the issue of the students who talk during class, that's another problem. A little talking is normal, and often makes a dojo fun to come to. But, when during demonstrations, the students should remain quiet unless the instructor asks a question. That's the fault of the instructor not disciplining the students. If the instructor or senior students disciplined the students at the time, it will continue and get worse over time. At some point its going to get too disruptive to the class, and the instructor will have to come down hard and usually ends up looking like a hard-ass for doing it. Although my instructor is himself long-winded and chatty, he like to tell us to "Shut up and practice" during class.

-- Jim

suren
08-17-2004, 01:55 PM
Nothing you can do. It would be inappropriate.

My experience shows that's not true. I have a pretty old and very respected sensei and lately some of students noticed that many practitioners fall back incorrectly, which can be dangerous. After discussing that with more experienced students who also noticed that, the student with the highest rank (who is also pretty close to sensei's age) approached sensei and asked to teach us some more of back falling since some students are not good in that.
Sensei was very open to it and accepted our point.

So maybe you can similarly discuss this matter with other guys in your dojo and if they agree, a group of you or a chosen delegate can approach your instructor and talk to him? I guess that greatly depends on your sensei.

Bronson
08-18-2004, 02:33 AM
I think asking your instructor to teach something specific would be received better than asking your instructor to change the way they teach.

Bronson

suren
08-18-2004, 03:49 PM
I think asking your instructor to teach something specific would be received better than asking your instructor to change the way they teach

That's probably true, but I think discussing that rather than silently leave the dojo is the best way. At least give that a try.
If this is said tactfully and politely by a person well know to the teacher and respected in dojo, in the best case scenario that will correct the situation, in the worst case sensei will ignore it or tell that he can't change himself. In any case I think it worth to try.

Bronson
08-19-2004, 02:28 AM
Actually I don't think Anon should leave just yet. For quite a while I had a problem appreciating how our senior sempai taught her class. Details aren't really important, I just felt it could be better if it were different. Well lo and behold one day I just happened to stop listening to my internal voice complaining about her teaching style and actually listened to what she was trying to teach us. I learned that she really does know what she's talking about and if I'd shut up in my head I could learn a lot from her.

IMO a teachers personality should come through in their teaching. If it doesn't it seems somehow dishonest. If the instructor is teaching from an honest and sincere place I think the student should make every effort to receive the teaching. I'm not saying that there aren't going to be student/teacher combinations that won't work but I think there should be some effort from the student to receive what is being given.

As to the other students in the class talking....lead by example would be the best thing I can offer.

Bronson

taras
09-12-2004, 03:11 AM
Please forgive me if I am out of line but I think with all the talking in the dojo there is still lack of communication. Your sensei is a human being just like anyone else. If there is something he can't see about his method of teaching, he needs telling this. Talk to him. If you are ready to discuss it on the web, surely you need to let him know. Aikido is about being sincere and honest. I hope your sensei will appreciate you letting him know. He will only benefit from it.

Lorien Lowe
09-20-2004, 10:51 PM
One of my senseis once had about 2 doz. t-shirts printed up to say, "SHUT UP AND TRAIN." and then offered them for sale at the dojo. People apparently got the hint, even though they didn't sell too well.

-Lorien

BKimpel
09-20-2004, 11:22 PM
I have noticed the following talky sensei-types:
(1) Non-Japanese sensei, especially in North America (it must come from the western teaching model or something, cause sometimes they just don’t shut up!).
(2) Newbie shodans (because talking is their way of coping with the stress of teaching something they don’t really understand well enough yet).
(3) Aging sensei (because their body is slower than it used to be so they take longer and longer breaks in between techniques to recuperate).

On the other hand I will testify that I have recently been humbled by a sensei that I previously deemed ‘talky’. When I finally listened (really listened) to what he said (even the stuff I was tuning out cause it was so obvious) I realized that everything he has ever said to me was gold…pure gold!

So do not just ‘shut up and train’ – ‘listen and learn’ like sentient beings.

tedehara
09-21-2004, 12:59 AM
...So do not just ‘shut up and train' -- ‘listen and learn' like sentient beings.

I have often wondered why people want to "just train".

I have been told the human brain is a marvelous thing. Perhaps we can use it in our training.

p00kiethebear
09-21-2004, 01:50 AM
Resist asking for help untill you're sure you need it. In our dojo we're told to try something on our own 10 times before we consider asking sensei. If you just need a quick reference look at what one of the more advanced students are doing.

Of course you can't avoid a long discussion if sensei decides to go over and correct you himself. But I find that these tactics can be a good method of figuring things out without going to sensei.

PeterR
09-21-2004, 02:00 AM
I have noticed the following talky sensei-types:
(1) Non-Japanese sensei, especially in North America (it must come from the western teaching model or something, cause sometimes they just don't shut up!).
(2) Newbie shodans (because talking is their way of coping with the stress of teaching something they don't really understand well enough yet).
(3) Aging sensei (because their body is slower than it used to be so they take longer and longer breaks in between techniques to recuperate).

On the other hand I will testify that I have recently been humbled by a sensei that I previously deemed ‘talky'. When I finally listened (really listened) to what he said (even the stuff I was tuning out cause it was so obvious) I realized that everything he has ever said to me was gold…pure gold!

So do not just ‘shut up and train' -- ‘listen and learn' like sentient beings.
And some just like to talk :p

Standard advice in my little group is to struggle with the technique a little bit before you ask me <--- one of those talkative types.

1) You often know more than you think you do and your body will tell you.

2) If you really are messing up - I will find you.

If your teacher talks to much for you - stop using him as a crutch or as Nathen more politely said.

Resist asking for help untill you're sure you need it.

p00kiethebear
09-21-2004, 03:29 AM
A little off topic.

But wasn't O sensei occasionally known to be the "Talky" type?

PeterR
09-21-2004, 03:38 AM
A little off topic.

But wasn't O sensei occasionally known to be the "Talky" type?
Legendary - which leads to the question as to whether he was always like that or did it increase with age.

Clayton Drescher
09-21-2004, 04:13 AM
My dojo is middle of the road I suppose. Sensei doesn't blab, except for the occasional "final thought" at the end of practice which is nice. Other teachers talk and show when correcting or instructing....I find that most useful, I can follow along with my body and listen with my mind.

One night we had a totally silent class. That was really good actually. If I screwed up, nobody was going to preach at me...I generally knew what I needed to do. And if I had an inexperienced uke, there was no responsibility for me to correct them in too much detail, just with my actions. It's kind of a cop-out, but that night it was nice to train in total silence with no pressure. But I think it was done because we had gotten too chatty in the past few sessions

Rocky Izumi
11-25-2004, 07:16 AM
You might ask your Sensei some time after class whether he would like the entire class to sit and listen to him/her or just keep practicing with your partner when he is talking to some pair. Most seminars, the Shihan will often yell at others to keep practicing while he/she talks to a pair. The others who are interested in the discussion come close and sit around the Shihan in seiza to listen or watch the demonstration of a point. If the Shihan wants everyone to listen he/she will yell to the class or clap to get everyone's attention so that everyone can sit and listen. The discussion with certain groups may need to be done because everyone learns differently and in some cases a specific issue needs to be communicated verbally. But the communication could be just for the people who need it, not those who can continue to practice without listening. The people who already know the point or aren't interested can keep practicing. That way, everyone gets what they need.

So ask your Sensei what is the right protocol/reigi.

If your Sensei wants everyone to listen to every word he/she says, then, his/her dojo, his/her rules. Everyone has a different way of teaching. That is the beauty of Aikido and its flexibility and its growth in the number of different dojos. You can now pick your dojo based on your learning style and level of practice. Of course, you may have to travel far to find what you need, but I have seen students move to a different location just to get near the Sensei they want to learn from.

I try to keep my verbal teaching to this web format but not all my students have internet nor computers and sometimes I have to give a lengthy demonstration and explanation verbally in the dojo. I try and use whatever format of teaching that is the best but there is so little dojo time. I try and get people who need explanations to ask me after class or on the internet so that it doesn't cut into physical practice time. However, I also try to get people to practice what they need to practice on their own time as well with their partners on a beach or in their own yard if they need more physical practice so it doesn't cut into my lecture time. Dojo time is the Sensei's time to teach in whatever way he/she deems most appropriate. In most cases the Sensei is donating his/her time to the dojo so we must respect his/her ways and his/her teachings. Outside dojo time, you have control so if you need more physical practice, why don't you just arrange with someone to practice with them outside the dojo?

Rock

Rocky Izumi
11-25-2004, 07:19 AM
P.S. The dojo is what the students make of it. The Sensei is just the leader and cannot make something out of it if the students don't want him/her to make it in a certain mould. The others might take your example and follow.

Rock

sunny liberti
12-03-2004, 11:29 AM
Maybe you should mention/infer that you don't get enough time to practise those things he/she talks about? The worst that can happen is that his ego gets in the way and you have to go to a new club. However you may also improve the club and teaching tremendously. (good martial artists are not always good teachers, and the teacher-student relationship is a 2-way thing).
Right on!
How many O senseis are in the World? He was an exception, but exception only confirms a rule.
He was an exception in his own art? Are you kidding me?!

Tom Kaluzynski
12-03-2004, 01:20 PM
I have to agree with the posters who preferred a non talky style. Aikido is kinesthetic learning; even though you may "get" a technique on a mental level, you must learn it in your body, which no amount of blabbering will do. However, I do not believe it is appropriate to mention your preference to the teacher, but I am more traditional in my approach. You are the student, and you are there to learn. If the talking is really not working for you, you probably should find another dojo more suited to who you are.
As regards O'Sensei, it worked for him to talk, but I dont think he talked as much when young. MOst older people talk alot, as any good grandchild would tell you! Good luck, in any case.

Rocky Izumi
12-03-2004, 04:23 PM
I was thinking about thread just a while ago and I realised that I am tending to talk more these days as well. I realised that so were a lot of the Shihan I know.

I figured out that it is because I have become more aware of my mortality as a lot of my friends and acquaintances, especially my closest Shihans, have started to die off. There is so much that I would like my students to understand but but even after years of practice, they are no closer to understanding some principles that are vital to their advancement in Aikido. For them to keep practicing the techniques incorrectly will not result in their learning the principles I would like them to learn. Now, I realise that these principles are not compulsory to the learning of Aikido. You can still do and learn Aikdio without them but learning them, I think is the goal of Aikido. I don't want to die or move away and not have the students understand these principles as principles.

Recently, one the Shihans and I were sitting and talking about technique and principles when he lamented that most still did not understand the principle no matter how much he made them practice it. He lamented that the students seemed to think that the goal of the practice was just to throw the uke any way possible. I kept silent because I wasn't sure if he was talking about my lack of understanding. But, I too feel that way sometimes, so I talk more to try and explain. Since he does not speak English that well, he is limited in what he can tell the people. He just shows. But then, it seems that a lot of people just haven't learned to see and learn.

Learning Aikido is not just kinesthetic. It is also visual. You have to get your visual cues from the instructor. He sometimes helps by coming over and tossing you around a bit. But our educational systems are not designed for us to learn how to learn kinesthetically so many of us still have difficulty learning by feeling.

I guess "talking too much" depends on what your teacher is talking about. But then, you have to be careful when interpreting as well. I remember sitting in a bar drinking with the instructors after a Kendo seminar. One of the Kendo teachers was talking about some fine points about the golf swing. He suddenly turned to me and winked. I understood that he was getting at me about an issue with my sword swing that he had been working on with me that afternoon. I nodded back that I understood. What seemed like a disparate conversation was still my lesson.

Rock

Nikopol
12-10-2004, 09:52 PM
There are so many replies I am afraid I may be repeating someone, but it's a good question.
First let me say that sometimes I have gotten impatient with a partner and opened my mouth only to find out that I was in a muddle... for example, it seems to happen that sometimes I forget I am the 'shite' and grow impatient waiting for the uke to throw me. I say this to point out that as murphys law indicates, the time you open your mouth is more than likely to be the time you were wrong.

at times like that I am glad I have a quiet voice.

now the practical advice. Give the sensei your full attention until he gets to a logical point where you think you have gotten his point (four to six seconds?) and now, not to waste HIS time further, give a smart 'hai' and slight but snazzy one inch - bow, then immediately go to perfect kamae and prepare to execute your technique incorporating the advice (freeing sensei to walk over to someone else).

Getting people to wrap up their explanations is a universal situation that you manage by showing that you accept and understand and are ready to demonstrate that.

It is similar to shaking out your hands and feet and fixing your gi when told to - do so for two or three seconds and then clearly return to attention. The sensei will see this and know that he can continue. If you value time in the dojo, you need to always return to a visible state of readiness.

On a side note, I had something worse than talking once, an inexperienced instructor insisting on using me like a clay model, physically moving my feet and hands and neck into her image of the proper contortion for beginning a technique. Needless to say, one or two points of external re-orientation are manageable, but when you feel like you are daffy duck in a game of twister with his beak yanked around to the back of his head, there is only one thing to do.

As soon as she felt satisfied with her clay modeling, I would relax, close my stance and shake out my neck and wrists for a half-second and resume the position she was demonstrating. Becasuse the only way to internalize a form, or state of balance, is to move into it by your own body movements. to arrive there on your own, as it were. The trick here is not to abrigate your own responsibility for your movements but at the same time demonstrate that you are open to receive instruction.

Nick P.
12-10-2004, 10:04 PM
One of my senseis once had about 2 doz. t-shirts printed up to say, "SHUT UP AND TRAIN." and then offered them for sale at the dojo. People apparently got the hint, even though they didn't sell too well.

-Lorien

I had a sticker on my roof ski-box that said "Shut Up and Ride" (from a ski/snowboard shop). Sometimes that advice is bang-on. Sometimes talking is nice too.