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Aikido Kobayashi Ryu Seminars in US
Cognard Shihan 8 Dan, Hanshi DNBK, in VA, CA, AZ (June 2015)
06-21-2000, 12:22 PM
Simple one (I think): is there any difference in meaning between 'tori' and 'nage'? Is 'tori' usually used in tomiki-ryu? The reason I say this is because I noticed Chuck Clark use the term, and my sensei also uses it.
06-21-2000, 04:29 PM
Yes, "tori" (taker) is the term used in both judo and Tomiki Aikido. With both judo and Tomiki Sensei's system in my lineage, I have used the term for my whole practice life. I also practiced Aikikai style in France and Canada for several years and could never really get used to the term "nage" (thrower).
Tori has a connotation of "taking" uke's center/spirit/initiative (all those good words...) as you blend with them. You can blend with someone without taking all that stuff (it's called dancing for one thing) but in a budo practice, you must take and keep the sente (initiative or lead).
07-21-2000, 02:56 AM
AFAIK the term "tori" is also used in several styles of karate, too.
yes, my style of karate used that term. But Victor, you said at the beginning of your post "AFAIK"... what's that stand for?
07-21-2000, 04:08 PM
As far as I know, it stands for As Far As I Know.
07-21-2000, 05:53 PM
I've seen "tori" used in older traditional aikido writings, so apparently it's more prevalent in Tomiki, but not limited to it.
07-24-2000, 02:11 AM
Why is the term "nage" correct when describing some techniques osae-waza?
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