2-on-1arm control from wrestling?

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[willy_lee]

Has anyone played with using a wrestling-style 2-on-1 arm control(*) as an alternative to ikkyo? I just had a lightbulb moment -- I was playing around with the 2-on-1 the other day and noticed that I would end up in the same relative position as with ikkyo ura, with a lot of the same positional advantages. However the 2-on-1 can be done with uke's arm low and doesn't require turning the elbow over.

Seems like it would be a good alternative, say if you mess up your ikkyo. The only thing is that the 2-on-1 seems to require nage to stay in close contact all the way down to the ground, whereas with ikkyo nage stays at arms length. I haven't tried but I can see transitioning to iriminage or sankyo as well as just dropping center and dragging forward on the arm with the shoulder to throw.

*2-on-1: see http://www.themat.com/technique/2on1double/005.jpg, or http://www.themat.com/technique/2on1double/006.jpg, wrestler in red. The take down from 2-on-1 is here at http://www.themat.com/technique/russiandrag/003.jpg and continuing http://www.themat.com/technique/russiandrag/004.jpg

[Budd]

The Russian armdrag/takedown has some similarities to irimi otoshi. I find it works best if you use the armdrag to get behind, then affect the off-balance and drop, either by controlling the head/arm/shoulders.

[senseimike]

I was a high school wrestler when I started Aikido. I found it very difficult to transition between the two at that time (i was only 14) but with time started to form the two, along with some other arts and experiences, into "my" Aikido. I do use arm drags and the such, especially in my iriminage throws. The wrestling experience did help in that I was comfortable being close to my uke or attacker. I find myself throwing in little bits of wrestling here and there, now 14 years later..... amazing how it sticks with you.