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Marshall Sandoz
04-21-2004, 10:26 PM
I am looking to purchase a new dogi in the near future and I was wondering what the learned have to say on the subject. I have narrowed my selection to a few possibilities(Ronin's Judo/Jujitsu dogi, Anshin's Uwagi, or E-Bugo's Master Quality Uniform), but feel free to chime in your own preferences. Also, is there any advantage to unbleached over bleached aside from saving a few bucks in the price? Thanks in advance.

Clayton Drescher
04-21-2004, 11:46 PM
I think I got the lightest gi from e-bogu, the jacket is still in good shape, but the fabric tore in the crotch, not the seam, the actual fabric. So maybe try a heavier gi if you go with e-bogu

I would recommend the unbleaches, unless your dojo has a dress code. The white shows sweat stains and mat dirt after a while, the unbleached is already that color.

good luck

CD

MaryKaye
04-22-2004, 12:00 AM
If you get it white you'll be tempted to bleach it, which I'm told shortens its lifespan horribly.

Mary Kaye

paw
04-22-2004, 05:51 AM
The only gi I wear is Howard Combat Kimono (http://www.howardliu.com/) They have gi for bjj and judo. Most durable gi I've ever had.

Regards,

Paul

Nick P.
04-22-2004, 11:53 AM
Bu-Jin top with Iwata pants.

Bu-Jin pants aren't doubled to the knees, and Iwata jacket is sooooo heavy and thick.

DanielR
04-22-2004, 12:04 PM
Bu Jin; love the zipper pants.
Bu-Jin pants aren't doubled to the kneesMy Bu Jin pants are... ...the Aikido Pants have reinforced knee patches to withstand suwariwaza."

cuguacuarana
04-22-2004, 12:19 PM
I recently bought the forty ounce gi from e-bogu. its pretty nice as best I can tell. I havn't trained in it for very long though, so no ripped pants. unless you have a really big frame I would go with the size down from their sizing chart. I ordered the one for my height and had to send it back it was huge, and I'm pretty big for my height.

Don_Modesto
04-22-2004, 12:46 PM
Bu-Jin top with Iwata pants.

Bu-Jin pants aren't doubled to the knees, and Iwata jacket is sooooo heavy and thick.

Huh! Mine are (unless we're using the terms differently.)

I like Bujin all the way.

paw
04-22-2004, 01:23 PM
Bu-Jin pants aren't doubled to the knees

Howard Combat Kimono (HCK) pants are double thick from mid-thigh to ankle. They may also be purchased separately.

Regards,

Paul

Nick P.
04-22-2004, 09:34 PM
Bu Jin; love the zipper pants.
My Bu Jin pants are...

Sorry: I meant that though the Bu-Jin pants are doubled at the knees, they are not doubled from the knee all the way down to the bottom hem of the pants, like Iwata.

Don't get me wrong; I think Bu-Jin stuff is great ( I have 2 full Gis from them, paid my CDN$ pesos for them too!), but like most pants that fit me well otherwise, the patches fail at the lower seem...right where my knees pivot on them for shikko. I am 6 ft, 34 in. waist, 175lbs. Not huge, not tiny, just average, and every single darn pants I have owned (not just Bu-Jin in fairness) fail in the same darn spots.

My Iwata pants are the closest I have come to that hakama-like sensation of multiple layers of fabric sliding nicely (ahh, how I miss the ASU hakama-before-shodan days).

Nick P.
04-22-2004, 09:35 PM
Wow,
You all picked up on THAT one quick!

DanielR
04-22-2004, 09:40 PM
the patches fail at the lower seem...right where my knees pivot on them for shikkoWow, interesting. How long did it take yours to start coming apart? Do you do lots of suwari waza?

Nick P.
04-23-2004, 07:21 AM
Wow, interesting. How long did it take yours to start coming apart? Do you do lots of suwari waza?
We normally do 2 laps of (anywhere between 4x6 tatamis to 6x6 tatamis) shikko, and perhaps average one or two suwari waza techniques, and every class ends with (what we call) kokyu ho.

The Bu-Jin (12oz?) pants began failing after about 2 years, which included a 3-week 2 sessions per day every day trip. They have outlasted every other pants hands down (so far), but I will no longer buy any pant with a knee patch area that does not go all the way to the hem.

It was by pure luck the Iwata ones did, but once I tried one lap of the mats, putting on any others pants is not something I look forward to. Maybe it's just my sharp bony knees....

DanielR
04-23-2004, 09:38 AM
Yeah, that's probably more suwari waza stress than my pants get. Oh well, I guess this is the right place to use "YMMV" :)

j0nharris
04-27-2004, 12:22 PM
Don't get me wrong; I think Bu-Jin stuff is great ( I have 2 full Gis from them, paid my CDN$ pesos for them too!), but like most pants that fit me well otherwise, the patches fail...

Actually, I'm on the other end; at 5'4", the bujin patches start just below my knees on the pairs I've bought, so I had my tailor do a little work on them. Maybe they could start making all the sizes in short, regular, and tall! I'd bet they'd customize them, too, for a few $$.

-jon

Nick P.
04-27-2004, 01:43 PM
Y'know, it's funny; when standing, the patches are just where they should be, covering my knees perfectly.
Drop to seiza, and the whole patch rides up so that it is covering the lower half of my thigh nicely, and the bottom 1/4 of the patch just covers my knee, and the seem lines up perfectly with where I pivot.

Oh, and Paul? I visited the HKC site (scary looking dude!); any idea where I can find price/size/ordering info there?

paw
04-27-2004, 01:56 PM
Nick,

The scary looking guy is Fabiano Iha, a super-nice guy by all accounts. You can think of him as a "celebrity endorsement".

You may order pants at this link (http://www.howardliu.com/catalog/accessories/pants.htm) On the left hand side is the price for white or blue ($30 US). Make sure you use the sizing chart (on the left hand side).

For a complete gi, I would order the competition single (http://www.howardliu.com/catalog/bjj/single.htm) Again, the left hand side shows the price to range from $50 (unbleached) to $80 (blue). Make sure you use the sizing chart (on the left hand side).

Regards,

Paul

j0nharris
04-28-2004, 12:58 PM
Since we've all been going on about how much we love our bujin dogis... As I was changing for class last night, the buckle on the drawstring fell apart!! :hypno:
Luckily my wife was running late, and was able to bring another pair from home for me!
Bu-Jin is always on top of things, though, and offered to send me a replacement buckle to put on them :). And I've certainly put a couple of years' wear on them, too.

jon

AikidoGuy
04-28-2004, 02:40 PM
Does anyone have a Gi from Tozando? Curious about the quality of their products.

Nick P.
04-28-2004, 03:08 PM
Man, if I would have known about Tozando while I was in Kyoto a couple of years ago...!

j0nharris
05-03-2004, 01:24 PM
If you get it white you'll be tempted to bleach it, which I'm told shortens its lifespan horribly.
Mary Kaye
! We haven't had bleach in our house for at least 10 years -- though it's great for making dioxins in the environment.
Try a laundry grade hydrogen peroxide, a.k.a. non-chlorine bleach, to get those sweat, grass, and blood stains out.

DanD
05-05-2004, 12:19 AM
Has anyone experienced Mark Swain's single weave Gi (sold by Century)? comment/review ? Thanks

Marshall Sandoz
05-05-2004, 10:51 AM
My first Judo gi was purchased from Century. It has held up pretty well over the past 5 years or so and has only recently started fraying in a couple of small spots on the collar where my beard rubs it. Otherwise it is still in good shape and I still wear it. Our mats are covered in a heavy felt-like carpet so I am constantly picking little blue fibers off of it. I wanted to buy new equipment all around (replaced my red oak weapons with traditional Japanese whit oak already) so I began looking for a dogi that was a bit heavier and of higher quality than what I had. I'm also looking at a new hakama from E-Bogu. It's the Tetron model that is slightly shorter on the inseam than on the outseam. Maybe then I won't trip on the fabric when I try to stand up. As for my old Century gi, well, I'll try dying it blue and keep using it in rotation with the others.

Bronson
05-05-2004, 12:13 PM
I've got a tetron hakama from E-bogu. It fits better than the custom one I got from Bujin and at a much more reasonable price. My advice though is to cut off the plastic spoon in the back before you wear it. Saw some one at camp with one similar to mine who's spoon ripped off, leaving a gaping hole at the base of the koshiita.

As far as judo gi go I really like the Mizuno single weave. The Academy of Karate Martial Art Supplies (http://www.martialartssupermarket.com/index.cfm?action=showProd&catid=1&keyword=mizuno&searchtype=1&row_start=1) has the best price I've found on the web. Just type Mizuno into the search field on the upper left.

Bronson

Larry Feldman
05-05-2004, 08:19 PM
Go unbleached, normal laundry detergent will whiten it up over time and multiple washings.

Janet Rosen
05-05-2004, 10:21 PM
Y'know, it's funny; when standing, the patches are just where they should be, covering my knees perfectly.
Drop to seiza, and the whole patch rides up so that it is covering the lower half of my thigh nicely, and the bottom 1/4 of the patch just covers my knee, and the seem lines up perfectly with where I pivot.
This is true of all the gi pants I ever bought.
What I did (back when I did suwariwaza) was customize my gi pants by first using pins to identify a big rectangle where I *actually* landed on my knees and where I pivoted on them. Then I cut out and sewed a couple of layers of pellon fleece (an interfacing available at fabric stores) to a layer of plain cotton, like a big thick patch--ended up being like 9" by 10"--and machine quilting the whole thing to the inside of each pants leg.
No more bruised knees, no more worn knees, and it felt like pivoting on potholders--very cool!

Marshall Sandoz
05-12-2004, 12:34 PM
After spending many hours searching and reading on the internet I have decided to give HSU a try. I have one of their double weave judo suits on the way. Thanks to all who posted their thoughts on the subject.

Mel Barker
05-12-2004, 03:53 PM
Be sure to give us a review when you get it.

Marshall Sandoz
05-21-2004, 04:40 PM
I just got my new HSU double weave dogi today. It's considerably heavier than what I'm used to, but it's a very well made and downright gorgeous. The lapel is kinda stiff but the rest of it is as soft as a baby blanket right out of the package. The pants are reinforced from the knee to the bottom hem. I ordered it one size larger so that I could shrink it to fit and after a couple of washings it fits beautifully. Mr. Hsu was an absolute pleasure to deal with and I can tell that this dogi is going to last a long, long time.

Chris Birke
05-22-2004, 03:09 PM
Judo lapels are supposed to be stiff, so one can't grab them easily.

Nick P.
05-22-2004, 09:07 PM
Good to know; thanks for updating, Marshall.

DanD
05-22-2004, 09:18 PM
I just got my new HSU double weave dogi today. It's considerably heavier than what I'm used to.

Marshall,

To what do you compare your double weave? curious to relate it to something I might know...it's really hard to "feel" a gi over the internet ;)

Thank you

Marshall Sandoz
05-23-2004, 12:00 PM
My first gi was a single weave made by Century. My sensei at the time ordered them for us so I have no idea which model it was and the tags have long since faded. I can tell you that the HSU is significantly heavier than the Century, and the quality is much better. Hope this helps.

Jesse Zinn
05-26-2004, 08:27 PM
Howard Combat Kimono (HCK) pants are double thick from mid-thigh to ankle. They may also be purchased separately.

Regards,

Paul

Paul,
Alright, stupid question here: what's the deal with those HCK/Howard Combat patches? Are they permanent and sewn right into the gi itself? Or, are they removable?

There have been two HCK gi's on eBay recently, and the photos for both showed the gi's had those bold patches on them. (I sent the seller an email about the patches question, but I've not heard back from him)

Do you happen to have the unbleached gi, or the white one? The link for the gi pant (separates), which does state that they have doubled knees, offers only white or blue? Do you happen to know if their unbleached gi pants have doubled knees?


Thanks for your time, :)
Jesse

Nafis Zahir
05-27-2004, 12:02 AM
Does anyone have a Gi from Tozando? Curious about the quality of their products.




Tozando Gi's are the best! All of their products are the best. The Gi's are very soft and very durable. You'll pay alittle more, plus shipping fees, but it is well worth it.

Jesse Zinn
05-27-2004, 07:51 PM
Paul,
Alright, stupid question here: what's the deal with those HCK/Howard Combat patches? Are they permanent and sewn right into the gi itself? Or, are they removable?

There have been two HCK gi's on eBay recently, and the photos for both showed the gi's had those bold patches on them. (I sent the seller an email about the patches question, but I've not heard back from him)

Do you happen to have the unbleached gi, or the white one? The link for the gi pant (separates), which does state that they have doubled knees, offers only white or blue? Do you happen to know if their unbleached gi pants have doubled knees?

Thanks for your time, :)
Jesse

Hi all,
I received the following from Howard Liu of Howard Combat Kimonos today,

Hi Jesse:
The pants do not come with patches. All pants, from the unbleached, the white, and blue are made of 7 X 7 denim twill, and have full padding from the top of the thigh to the end of the cuffs. The patches on the pants shown on the website is just for display purposes only. Patches are sold separately for $10/set of 2.
Sincerely,
Howard Liu
HOWARD COMBAT KIMONOS

just fyi... :)
Jesse