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Virgil
03-19-2004, 11:45 AM
I know most dojos train w/bokken, tanto & jo (as do we), but what other weapons are common or are sometimes encountered? My sensei here uses what he calls the "double jo" (looks for all the world like 2 escrima sticks to me). Does anybody train w/a hanbo?

Magnus Brown
03-24-2004, 06:44 AM
we've just started training with the bo stick.

Nick Simpson
03-24-2004, 07:49 AM
Tanjo ( I think its called?) a short stick is referred to now and again as well as tonfa. I have known of a sensei use sai and shuriken now and again.

Nick Simpson
03-24-2004, 07:50 AM
Oh yes, how could I forget the wakazashi? :p

cbrf4zr2
03-24-2004, 08:39 AM
We've done defense against chains, and basball bats. But we haven't 'trained' perse.

Nick Simpson
03-24-2004, 08:57 AM
Damn, Im forgetful today, We use baseball bats now and again, thanks for the reminder Edward (total b*stard to deal with for me, I just accept that im gonna get hit cos im not good enough, same as when we do proper knife defense, Im gonna get cut, just where and how little that makes the difference). The jitsu foundation over here do a very interesting thing called the V formaton where tori stands in front of about 6 or 7 uke in a v formation (duh) and they each have a different weapon including bats, chains, knifes, bottles, swords. very interesting to watch.

Fiona D
03-24-2004, 11:25 AM
I'm training with said jitsu foundation (Canadian branch); weapons defence is as Nick describes. As well as the 'V' we do a similar thing with a circle of people around us so we don't know the direction the next attack will come from. Also simultaneous 2,3,4-person attacks with weapons (very scary). As far as using weapons is concerned, we learn some bo and sword kata, plus a bit of work on using bo or short stick against unarmed & armed attackers.

Training aikido last year, I got to work with tanto, bokkken & jo. Especially the latter 2; it was an Iwama Ryu dojo. Interesting stuff!

Ron Tisdale
03-24-2004, 12:27 PM
korindo aikido uses the hanbo...check out John Goss Sensei. He is also in the aiki expo tapes from the first year. Pretty cool stuff.

Ron

zachbiesanz
03-24-2004, 02:11 PM
I've partaken in some training with the tessen (iron fan). There's a book out called Aiki Tessen Jutsu on the subject that's worth looking at. That is to say, great pictures, but Japanese text...

Paul Sanderson-Cimino
03-24-2004, 06:24 PM
Kodachi.

sanosuke
03-25-2004, 02:12 AM
what about umbrella (kasa)?

Josh Bisker
03-25-2004, 03:43 AM
the highly feared "stinky gi" has made appearances on our mat - a real threatening item to deal with when weilded by tha hands (armpits?) of an attacker

Richard Elias
03-25-2004, 11:22 PM
Katana
Kodachi
Tanto
Jo
Yari
Naginata
Tessen
Jutte
Shuriken
Hojo

And we occasionally work with Kusari and Hanbo.

Paul Sanderson-Cimino
03-26-2004, 12:48 AM
Whoa. That's quite the list there, Richard.

I do recall...I wasn't there, but Jumonville-sensei here in Pleasant Hill decided to have everyone grab random 'weapons' from around the room for practice. They included a plush doggie in a dogi (get it?...sorry.) that made barking kiai when its tummy was pushed.

p00kiethebear
03-26-2004, 10:20 AM
Wakizashi, naginata (rarely)

But my favorite one is Fukimi Bari. = D

FukimiBari jutsu is the wonderful art of spitting darts into peoples eyes.

David Edwards
03-26-2004, 03:32 PM
The jitsu foundation over here do a very interesting thing called the V formaton where tori stands in front of about 6 or 7 uke in a v formation (duh) and they each have a different weapon including bats, chains, knifes, bottles, swords. very interesting to watch.
I used to be part of said Jitsu foundation, and did that too. The same thing is done in Bujinkan Ninjutsu.

As for what weapons I've practiced in classes with (not all in Aikido classes)... Bokken, katana, jo, bo, hanbo, tanto, sai, nunchaku, manriki gusari, bottles (plastic), broken bottles (again, plastic, this time cut in half), clubs.

I'd really like to learn to use a spear though; if only because O Sensei did, and from the idea of keeping oneself inside a revolving sphere of protection outlined by the tip of the spear

Paul Sanderson-Cimino
03-26-2004, 04:13 PM
Wakizashi, naginata (rarely)

But my favorite one is Fukimi Bari. = D

FukimiBari jutsu is the wonderful art of spitting darts into peoples eyes.
Okay. You realize you're bound by law to give us details. ^_-

Richard Elias
03-27-2004, 04:47 PM
"Whoa. That's quite the list there, Richard."

Paul,

Yeah it is a long list... those are all of the weapons I learned while studying with Don Angier, except for shuriken... I learned some of the shuriken while uchi-deshi with Pat Hendricks, at that time both her and Luis (Jumonville) were living in the dojo too.
Those were interesting times.

Doka
03-27-2004, 05:52 PM
Ome question for you all!

Do you train with/agaist real weapons or wooden/plastic replicas?

If you train with/against replicas, have you ever trained against the real thing?

If you train with/against real weapons, why, and what do you get from it?

:ai:

Richard Elias
03-27-2004, 09:51 PM
When we do Iai we only use real swords, never iaito. With partner practices and kata real weapons are used periodically. The rest of the time wooden weapons are used. Training with real weapons heightens your awareness and teaches you respect for the weapon you are using. The attitude of the student towards the weapon is effected greatly when he/she has a real, sharp, dangerous weapon in their hands. Greater care and attention is paid to one’s surroundings and what you are doing. You realize that you can not only hurt those around you, but be hurt by them and even your own weapon if it’s not properly handled and your not paying attention, not only to what your doing, but what everyone else in the room is doing. Much of the complacency that develops from staying within the relative safety of using wooden weapon goes right out the window. In time fear of the weapon is replaced by respect for the weapon, and confidence is built in ones ability to handle the weapon, which carries over to even greater confidence when using wooden practice weapons. And aside from all that, it is the way we were trained by our teacher so that is the way we teach our own students.

When asked why we train with real weapons my teacher used to say…

“Toy swords make for toy swordsmen”

DaveO
03-28-2004, 07:39 AM
We've done practice with street weapons from time to time - stick and beer bottles; mostly.

I've done a handgun and knife demo a couple of times; to show the reality of such weapons and destroy a few common myths.

:)

Doka
03-28-2004, 10:54 AM
Thank you Richard, and also Dave. I meant within Aikido, so more like Jiyu Waza or randori against an Ukes armed with real weapons.

Virgil
03-28-2004, 06:08 PM
Wow! This is a comprehensive list! I'm impressed at how many of you have studied such a variety of weapons, many of which fall outside of typical aikido practice.

I'm looking forward to learning the stick in its various forms; in my old dojo we learned some bo and were told that the bo was primarily defensive whereas the jo was more offensive & we would learn that later. In my current dojo it's all jo, no bo.

The hanbo intrigues me, as do the escrima.

What is the kodachi?

Bronson
03-28-2004, 06:36 PM
What is the kodachi?
Short sword I believe.

Bronson

gasman
04-19-2004, 09:11 PM
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iaido, strikes and chokes. if you search, I posted a quicktime file a long while ago. and yes, my pants stay up after... ;)