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02-22-2004, 11:55 PM
Ki Society calls the kyu ranks in Ki Development shokyu, chukyu, jokyu, and then the dan ranks shoden, chuden, joden, keiden, okuden.

What do these words mean?

Mary Kaye

02-27-2004, 01:46 AM
I'm not a Japanese speaker or reader, the only thing I know is what little dojo Japanese I've picked up but I think I might be able to get you close. If anybody with more knowledge than me says differently go with that :D
shokyu, chukyu, jokyu
I believe this translates to something like beginning grade, middle grade, and high grade, respectively
and then the dan ranks shoden, chuden, joden, keiden, okuden.
Without the kanji (which I don't read) it's difficult to know the meanings exaclty. In Dave Lowry's book Sword and Brush he lists the meaning (for martial artists...if you check a kanji site there are many meanings) for den as "transmitting tradition".

The sho, chu, and jo meanings would probably stay the same as above.

The only reference I can find sitting around my apartment for kei is also from Sword and Brush. It may be the same or not. He has it listed as part of a compound word, keiko, the kei part in this instance means "to cogitate, to think, or to consider.

Lowry writes that okuden is translated as "hidden teachings".

There's a good chance I've gotten that all wrong...best check with your sensei.


Tom Wolowiec
03-06-2004, 07:51 PM
Let's see... I *believe* elementary school is shyukoku, and middle school is chyukoku, and I know ookii means big, so I think Bronson's right, and it means "low, medium, high", etc.

I might be totally off, though. :(