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Chocolateuke
09-23-2003, 11:03 PM
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whata think? me personally, I Dont know, could be true, but then again..

Clayton Kale
09-23-2003, 11:12 PM
:rolleyes: If you believe that, I've got a bridge I can sell you! ;)

There are no easy answers unless the answer is "train hard." :p

bca333
09-24-2003, 05:34 AM
I have to agree with Clayton. There are all kinds of "easy routes" to success in any endeavor available to the consumer. But they all beg the question "Why isn't everyone doing it?". Have you ever heard Bill Gates say that he learned business in his sleep? Has F. Lee Bailey ever said that he was hypnotized into becoming a great trial lawyer? Would you feel comfortable having surgery performed on you by someone who graduated from subliminal medical school?

Having an open mind is a wonderful thing, and I am a firm believer in trying to maintain our child-like curiosity throughout life. However, if something seems to be too easy, then it's probably not real. Life is struggle, but that's part of the joy and sense of accomplishment.

I think it was Jefferson who said "I am a firm believer in luck; he who works the hardest has the most luck".

Regards, Brad

Tim Griffiths
09-24-2003, 07:15 AM
Of course I train in aikido while I sleep -

If I didn't know aikido, those giant pink lobsters would have thrown me into the bubble bath by now. Lucky for me that sankyo works so well on crustaceans.

Even more amazing is that you can take a couple of Valium before class, and then you can sleep while you train!

Tim

SeiserL
09-24-2003, 02:03 PM
There is some minimal research supporting the use of subliminal messages to overcome the internal dialogues.

IMHO, better results can be obtained by utilizing the conscious and the conscious mind to overcome blocks to learning and mental reharsal.

It is never meant to replace the sweat and repetition of actual physical practice. Mental training only supplements and supports intelligent physical training.

ian
09-25-2003, 09:42 AM
Very amusing.

If aikido is to be any use it must be trained within the nervous system and not within the mind. Knowing what to do and doing it are too entirely different things. If these tapes help at all they would only help with the knowing part. Alternatively it could be a general 'inspirational' thing, though I would still doubt it.

Besides this, I would suggest it goes against the philosophy of aikido; when we do aikido, we do aikido; when we sleep, we sleep.

Ian

kensparrow
09-25-2003, 11:52 AM
Very amusing.

If aikido is to be any use it must be trained within the nervous system and not within the mind. Knowing what to do and doing it are too entirely different things. If these tapes help at all they would only help with the knowing part. Alternatively it could be a general 'inspirational' thing, though I would still doubt it.

Besides this, I would suggest it goes against the philosophy of aikido; when we do aikido, we do aikido; when we sleep, we sleep.

Ian
I'm not saying I buy into the whole subliminal thing but in reply to Ian:

a) The mind/brain is a huge part of the nervous system.

b) Studies have shown that the most rapid improvement in physical tasks occurs when a combination of physical repetition and mental visualization are used. I believe the study I read found that physical repetition alone was better than visualization alone, but not nearly as good as the two together.

This reminds me of a thread about Aikido and hypnosis.

bca333
09-25-2003, 02:45 PM
Putting my semi-snooty response aside, Ken's post reminded me of a study I have read, also. I don't remember any specifics as far as who did the experiment, but it used basketball free throws. Three groups of people were given one week to practice free throws; one group did nothing, one group physically practiced, and one spent the week visualizing successful shots. The physical practice group performed the best, but the visualization group performed measurably better than the nothing group. Details may be fuzzy, but that was the jist of it.

I have since visualized a Jaguar in my driveway, but so far it's still just a Jeep.

Brad

jducusin
09-25-2003, 04:16 PM
Hehehe --- funny, just recently one of my Sempais told me he had a nightmare about doing ushiro ukemi over, and over, and over...does that count? ;)

formerjarhead
09-25-2003, 10:09 PM
If this were only true! Take a month vaction and sleep your way to your black belt !!!! Not only in Aikido but Judo, Karate, and more. I wonder if they have package deals?



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