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jaxonbrown
09-15-2003, 03:22 PM
I saw some goth kids at the mall and I noticed some of them were wearing black leather wristbands that had metal spikes studded into them right where one grabs to apply technique. I thought stuff like that could be a problem.

Lyle Bogin
09-15-2003, 03:44 PM
Kids like that often wind up as great martial artists :).

Joe Jutsu
09-15-2003, 03:46 PM
A friend of mine suggested the spiked wrist band theory as a counter to all aikido techniques. Man, that was hilarious!:D

There are so many techniquese in an aikidoka's repertoire that do not require nage to grab uke's wrist that I don't see this as a problem at all.

But then again I don't go around picking fights with people with spiked wristbands (or anyone for that matter), so my theory is unfounded in actual experience. But I don't think you should worry about it.

Joe

Thomas Froman
09-15-2003, 07:35 PM
You just have to simply throw without touching!;)

mattholmes
09-15-2003, 08:11 PM
I would say that any practice, experience, or encounter with a person is going to be different than any other. You have to judge the situation for what it is. When you get in a car with a manual transmission, you might think to yourself that it is more difficult than an automatic, if you have been driving automatics. However, it would be a rare person who would still try to drive a manual like an automatic--it just wouldn't work. It's a different car.

Matt

sanosuke
09-15-2003, 10:38 PM
at last we can do shomen uchi with wrist

Bronson
09-15-2003, 10:51 PM
If you can't grab their wrist, kick 'em in the nads...that'll learn 'em :D

Bronson

Adrian Smith
09-16-2003, 06:45 AM
Two weeks ago we were practicing suwari waza. Sensei knelt seiza and told me to grab his gi katatori. I did so, and he indicated I should grab him more strongly. I did this, and that was when he punched me in the balls... Gently mind you, but enough to make me let go. :)

-drin

Largo
09-16-2003, 08:01 PM
what about an irimi-nage?

ian
09-17-2003, 02:40 AM
The elbow control is often more important than the wrist control (vis. ikkyo). Also, a good grab tends to slide down the arm toward the wrist, and therefore will just stop at the spikes instead of the wrist. Many of these studs are also quite blunt when you touch them, and although they may hurt your head, they're not too painful for your hands.

Ian

aiki_what
09-17-2003, 08:03 AM
What should we do about Dogs with spiked collars? ;0

First, they have no wrists to grab, then they are so low to the ground...Do I have to do suwari-waza? Are there any Aiki-techniques that deal with "dog" defense? Maybe I should train in BJJ since they have grappling techniques on the ground. Do you think my hakama would protect my ankles against chihuahuas?

Sorry bout the rant but I went off my anti-sarcasm medication.

DaveO
09-17-2003, 08:38 AM
Well; all in all I'd take spiked wristbands as a non-issue in self defence. They're pretty much useless as a weapon of any sort; indeed based on basic anatomy they're much more of a danger to the wearer than any prospective victim. As for most spiked-wristband wearers; five'll get you ten they're not much to worry about; they're just kids getting their jollies looking like what they think tough is - a genuinely tough person wouldn't need 'em. It's just one of those silly things kids do at that age; they'll grow out of it. :)

Still; since this is an aikido forum after all, it's nevertheless interesting to speculate about technique. Likely; any tech. that requires grabbing Johnny Rotten Jr.'s wrist would be enhanced rather than barred, due to the perfect anchor point it provides. Bypassing the wrist would be preferrable of course; so a nice irimi-nage, tenshinage or one of a variety of sudori's might help.

Or; given the average maturity of spiked wristband wearers; waving your arms and going "BLAAAAAHHH!!!!" would generally work too.

Oh yes, one more thing: As for spiked-collar-wearing dogs; bite 'em in the cojones. Works every time for chihuahuas. :D

vanstretch
09-17-2003, 09:25 AM
great thread, has anyone ever recieved "leopard spots"? these are from being grabbed in the triceps belly and the next day you have a cluster of purplish "leopard spots". i get mine from new kyus mostly, and usually non-intentionally.

aiki_what
09-17-2003, 10:01 AM
"As for spiked-collar-wearing dogs; bite 'em in the cojones. Works every time for chihuahuas. "

Now there's an image I could have done without.....

sceptoor
09-17-2003, 10:43 PM
....Many of these studs are also quite blunt when you touch them, and although they may hurt your head, they're not too painful for your hands.

Ian
I was just about to make this "point"!

HA!! Couldn't resist!

Yes, they are not sharp at all, and usually they aren't all the way around, only on top(so nikkyo or yonkyo shouldn't be a prob);)and if the wristband is tight enough, at's a pretty good grip thingy! Now that I think about it, fun atemi to the face while doing sankyo! AIKIDO FUN!

It's funny how kids wearing spikes and peircings these days are "gothic". In my day it was "metalheads". LOL

kensparrow
09-18-2003, 11:53 AM
great thread, has anyone ever recieved "leopard spots"? these are from being grabbed in the triceps belly and the next day you have a cluster of purplish "leopard spots". i get mine from new kyus mostly, and usually non-intentionally.
Oh yeah! We usually refer to them as Aiki-tattoos!