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Alan Mung
07-09-2003, 05:53 AM
Hi All,

I have recently re-read Angry White Pyjamas and in the book there are several references to a 'helicopter throw'. From the description it didn't seem clear to me what the actual technique was.

Does anybody know what the real Japanese name for the throw is please? Is this is a popular nick name?

Many Thanks,

Ed

sanosuke
07-09-2003, 06:58 AM
yama arashi??

mj
07-09-2003, 07:21 AM
It might be a rotating kata-guruma (like a firemans lift).

In Judo nage usually rotates while doing this, to spin uke around a bit to stop him twisting out of it.

Greg Jennings
07-09-2003, 08:09 AM
What used to be called the "helicopter" is one of the throws out of kata guruma.

With respect to the question at hand, it could well be kata guruma or the upside down (uke's back across nage's shoulders) version called ganseki otoshi.

I've seen film of Kondo Sensei helicopter his uke off from ganseki otoshi. She landed flat on her back and got right back up which must have been pretty tough.

Regards,

Don_Modesto
07-09-2003, 09:04 AM
...references to a 'helicopter throw'...Does anybody know what the real Japanese name for the throw is please? Is this is a popular nick name?
KATA GURUMA or GANSEKI OTOSHI is what I would have called it, too.

Isoyama's version doesn't twirl. See it now at:

http://65.119.177.201/RealVideo/Isoyama_1983.rm

There are several examples of the twirling helicopter in the 50th Anniversary of Sokaku Takeda Demo ($49.95)

at

http://65.119.177.242/catalog/productdetails.php?code=t38&PHPSESSID=ab39ce74bf9e1e5fa1753a491f89a5ef

BC
07-09-2003, 02:16 PM
I've seen more than a few uke projected out of kokyu nage. One notable sensei was Kanai Sensei.

BC
07-10-2003, 03:00 PM
I should have said:

I've seen more than a few uke projected into a flat spin out of kokyu nage. One notable sensei was Kanai Sensei.

Definitely looked looked a less-than-smooth landing. Kind of like watching someone skip flat stones on water...

Those are the ones that make me think "uke shoulda gotten some frequent flyer miles from that one."

shihonage
07-10-2003, 04:00 PM
I think it is morally wrong to throw a person off a helicopter.

Alan Mung
07-14-2003, 03:38 AM
Thanks for the responses all. You have cured my curiosity now!

Thanks,

Ed