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akiy
03-10-2003, 01:35 PM
What sort of beliefs did you used to have about aikido that have since then changed or been "shattered"?

What caused the change in your thinking?

(Idea taken from this link (http://www.iusedtobelieve.com/) posted on Aikido-L.)

-- Jun

faramos
03-10-2003, 02:20 PM
When I began Aikido my initial thoughts where that it would be the most completel martial art form to date. Such that the techniques, the mentality, and above all else, the instructors, where somewhat invincible and nearly untouchable. Now, I don't believe that is completely true; but I also do not believe it completely false.

Today, I understand that instructors and aikidoka alike are human- that we all have problems pertaining to our lives. Moreover, that just because I (we) practice Aikido, all our problems go away. Yet even though they still exists, I now have a broader understanding of their nature. That is what has change in my mind most of all. Aikido is not the answer to all my problems, it is a tool to help me undestand myself better, so by and by, I will be able to solve them.

That's just my opinion.

Cheers,

Frank

shihonage
03-10-2003, 02:45 PM
Black belt in one year.

:eek:

ian
03-10-2003, 04:44 PM
Early beliefs:

- if I trained as long as my instructor my aikido would be like theirs

- it was the techniques that made aikido, and that some were unique to it

- that more training would necessarily make me better at aikido

- there are seperate techniques in aikido

Thee final point arose because I realised that once you get to a point where you know the techniques and you can do them all pretty much in an instinctive manner you have to think whether you are doing the techniques optimally. For that you have to have a correct model of what you are really aiming to achieve in the technique (and thus understand howw the dojo simulation really works). You can spend years practicing a technique, but what you are practicing is wrong all you learn is poor technique.

This leads to the last one - took me a long time to understand how they lead into and relate each other, and in many respects I am still finding amazing discoveries in this area. What amazes me IS the completeness of aikido in that the techniques form one indevisable whole.

DGLinden
03-10-2003, 05:00 PM
When we started we were going to change the world.

Now I just want to change the block where I live.

Aikido was a religion. It was a tao. It was a path to enlightenment.

I am now going to publish the list of every person who has achieved enlightenment through Aikido.

Okay. It was the final martial Art. That is still true. Problem is, Saotome Sensei is about the only one who gets it. Teaches his shihans that way - some get it. It is a whole life experience and if you put aside any presumptions it makes your whole life indescribable... you actually LIVE YOUR LIFE.

Sorry if I got too emphatic. It has just been a fabulous day.

erikmenzel
03-11-2003, 05:55 AM
I used to believe aikidoka were nice people

mike lee
03-11-2003, 08:33 AM
I used to believe aikidoka were nice people

I was once Snow White, but I drifted.

aiki_what
03-11-2003, 08:37 AM
Mike Lee said.

"I was once Snow White, but I drifted"

That's what happens when you hang out in the forest with 7 dwarves.

bob_stra
03-11-2003, 08:49 AM
Mike Lee said.

"I was once Snow White, but I drifted"

That's what happens when you hang out in the forest with 7 dwarves.
Which reminds me of a joke.

(Radio announcer voice)

"Do you wake up in the morning feeling sleepy and grumpy?"

"Then you must be Snow White"

(badbum)

mike lee
03-11-2003, 08:49 AM
When I first showed up at a major dojo in Asia, I was starry eyed. I had never seen so many black belts in one room for a regular practice session. Soon thereafter, I became friends with a nidan who was also a very excellent martial artist. He simply told me, with regards to technique, there were "good aikidoists and bad aikidoists."

At first, I was kind of surprised to hear that. But then, I started to think about what he said, and I quickly realized that he was right. Some were just hobbiests, looking to get away from their nagging wives three nights a week. Others just wanted to dabble in the art and get a little exercise. Some tried to be teachers' pets, only caring about getting promoted, with little interest in gaining ever higher levels of skill.

Although I tried to remain open-minded, practicing with everybody, I scoped out the most skilled aikidoists and I tried to practice with them a little more often, making an effort to gain a deeper understanding from those people.

Bronson
03-11-2003, 10:11 AM
What sort of beliefs did you used to have about aikido that have since then changed or been "shattered"? What caused the change in your thinking?

...aikido is fake.

I still remember when I asked somebody to really do nikyo to me. Gravity was not strong enough to pull me away from the pain fast enough.

...sensei is superhuman.

I've seen him mess up. Thing is he's able to flow with it and turn it into something else. Once he slipped on the mat at the execution of the technique and fell. I was uke and he used his fall to throw me. I wish my techniques felt as smooth as his mistakes :D

I don't think any highly skilled person has achieved anything that anybody who is willing to put in the same time and dedication can't also achieve.

...when I got to shodan I'd be really good.

I got to shodan and I wasn't really good. I was better than I used to be but a far cry from where I thought I'd be.

Bronson

Bud
03-11-2003, 11:11 AM
I used to believe that aikido always changed people for the better. I now know that this does not always happen. People are people and some will always have deep seated insecurities and massive egos that no amount of practice will erase. I've seen educated people, the type you'd think would be wise and mature enough to rise above the ego trap that ranks and seniority can be just pound on students to prove they're better.

I used to think that Aikido was an immediately practical martial art. Almost 10 years of practice later, I now realize that practical application is more of a byproduct than a actual goal. Aikido still works but you have to make it so. I doesn't happen overnight either.

I used to think that I could understand O Sensei's writings if I read them more often. Boy, was I wrong..

I used to think a hakama was a cool part of an aikido uniform. Now it's just a long skirt that gets in the way of things..

kung fu hamster
03-11-2003, 12:39 PM
Before I started aikido I used to think I was fairly coordinated and could move my appendages at will.

John Boswell
03-12-2003, 03:41 PM
I used to think if I ever fell down I'd never be able to get up again.

Used to think all martial arts required throwing punches and kicks.

Used to think I'd never train in any martial art because just the training in it would be too brutal to the (my) body.

... all wrong. :D

Jonathan
03-12-2003, 09:02 PM
I was told, when I first started aikido training, that aikido was the gentlest, and so the least injurious, martial art around. Boy, was that a load of ----!

Hagen Seibert
03-13-2003, 07:02 AM
I used to believe a sensei or high grade would truely live the idea of harmony...

...until I learnt that when it´s about money or power and influence many will forget that concept completely.

Largo
03-17-2003, 06:57 PM
I used to believe that aikido was a passive, gentle art only for weaklings who couldn't throw a real punch.

(still working on getting real power into my atemi)

Dennis Hooker
03-21-2003, 09:58 AM
In a demo a few years ago a capable karate instructor was assisting me. I was talking to the audience and he thought I wanted him to attack but I was not ready. His shoulder dislocated and my left forearm split from the wrist to the elbow. I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt!

As we were practicing against left jabs in close a student opened up my eyebrow. I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

Just as the sword slipped into my left arm I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

As my right knee dislocated when a wayward Uki rolled into it on a crowded mat I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

As my ribs snapped because I was a little to slow and not off line I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

Last week as the hamstring n my left leg gave way and turned it into Jell-O I believed Aikido was About not getting hurt.

As I woke up this morning I believed Aikido is about not getting hurt

George S. Ledyard
03-21-2003, 10:48 AM
In a demo a few years ago a capable karate instructor was assisting me. I was talking to the audience and he thought I wanted him to attack but I was not ready. His shoulder dislocated and my left forearm split from the wrist to the elbow. I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt!

As we were practicing against left jabs in close a student opened up my eyebrow. I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

Just as the sword slipped into my left arm I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

As my right knee dislocated when a wayward Uki rolled into it on a crowded mat I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

As my ribs snapped because I was a little to slow and not off line I believed Aikido was about not getting hurt.

Last week as the hamstring n my left leg gave way and turned it into Jell-O I believed Aikido was About not getting hurt.

As I woke up this morning I believed Aikido is about not getting hurt
But Dennis, I thought that this was how the whole process works... By the time you get to our age you are so bunged up that you have to start doing your technique right because you can't do it wrong any more. I always thought there was an inverse relationship between how many of your body parts were dysfunctional and the level of skill you attained... it's true in your case anyway.

Kelly Allen
03-22-2003, 12:46 AM
I was once Snow White, but I drifted.
Oh great more snow to shovel!:disgust:

mike lee
03-22-2003, 03:26 AM
Oh great more snow to shovel!

Based on the content of your posts, I think you must be shovelling loads of something else.

zachbiesanz
03-23-2003, 11:27 AM
I used to think that politics and aikido made for an awfully silly combination.

Well, I still think that...

Let's just say I've met some people who surprised me with their disagreement.

Hanna B
03-23-2003, 01:23 PM
I used to believe people would be decent to each other.

mike lee
03-24-2003, 12:37 AM
I used to believe in Santa Claus.

If everybody in this world was "nice," we wouldn't need to learn martial arts to protect ourselves. Aikido and all the others would eventually disappear.

So we can thank all the bad, nasty people of the world for helping us to preserve the martial arts!

Hanna B
03-24-2003, 02:10 AM
Mr Lee, open up the possibility to send you a private message and you'll recieve one. You do not need to expose our email address to do this.

Max Ostap
03-29-2003, 03:30 PM
I used to believe teachers knew how to teach and it was my fault not understanding certain things.

Its hard to find a good teacher.

mike lee
03-30-2003, 12:07 AM
My teacher taught me by not teaching me!

One day I told him that I was afraid that I would stop progressing when I returned to America, and that if he ever came to visit me, he would become angry at me because my aikido had become worse. So he stopped coming to practice.

I didn't see him for a month. He taught one class and I didn't see him for another month.

Because I was his uke during public demonstrations, I knew that sooner or later there would be hell to pay if I backslid. So I decided to practice with my partners with the same amount of attention to detail as I did with my teacher. Since I was his uke, I continuously worked on perfecting my attacks and ukemi.

After three months, my teacher returned. He commented to another teacher that he was surprised at how much I had improved. The other teacher just looked at me and smiled and said, "Yes, he has."

They had trained me by not teaching me. Now I know how to train myself, and I'm always improving my skill because I don't depend on my teacher, but he's always in my heart.

scarry one
03-30-2003, 09:16 AM
[QUOTE="Dennis Hooker"]dislocated and my left forearm split from the wrist to the elbow.a student opened up my eyebrow. a sword slipped into my left arm my right knee dislocated when a wayward rolled As my ribs snapped the hamstring n my left leg gave way and turned it into Jell-O

DUDE YOU ROCK

Dennis Hooker
03-31-2003, 07:54 AM
[QUOTE="Dennis Hooker"]dislocated and my left forearm split from the wrist to the elbow.a student opened up my eyebrow. a sword slipped into my left arm my right knee dislocated when a wayward rolled As my ribs snapped the hamstring n my left leg gave way and turned it into Jell-O

DUDE YOU ROCK
Do this stuff for 35 or 40 years with some passion and things happen. Hell I didn't even mention the broken back, rebuilt shoulder and knees.

Dennis

DGLinden
04-01-2003, 08:19 AM
Gosh Dennis, maybe you should just be more careful.

See you Friday.

Olga Mihailova
04-03-2003, 11:52 PM
I am a skier and I had three big skiing illusions.

I believed that I know where my centre is, that I can concentrate on it and that I can use it easily and feel it all the time. The very first tenkan (not to mention more complicated things) proved it was an illusion.

I believed I am not affraid of falling. I am.

I believed I can't hit my back harder than I did when my fastenings didn't endure the pressure and got unfastened. The very first mae-ukemi suwari-waza (from seiza, not even from the knee) proved that I can. And I don't need any speed or height for it.

There is one good thing. I believed I will feel awful not being able to do the things others can do. I am happy about it. Because when sometimes, really seldom I do something really right, I feel great and I enjoy every moment of learning.

Misogi-no-Gyo
04-04-2003, 11:08 PM
...I used to believe that to be a Shihan in aikido, you needed to be a master of Aikido.

...I used to believe that when you practiced aikido, that only Morihei Ueshiba was O-Sensei.

...I used to believe that O'Sensei was an Irishman.

…I used to believe that the title of Sensei came after the teacher’s name.

...I used to believe that you didn't spend 10 years practicing an art, rather you spent 10 years seeking a true master.

...I used to believe that a Master accepted you as a student, not the other way around.

...I used to believe that Aikido had something to do with Omoto-Kyo. Then I found out it is the the other way around.

...I used to think that Misogi had something to do with Aikido. See above note about Omoto-Kyo.

…I used to believe that Daito-Ryu was a powerful martial art, and that Aikido came from it.

...I used to believe O-Sensei knew what he was talking about, but somehow everyone keeps changing it to make it better, I guess.

...I used to believe that Aikido was a Japanese Martial art.

...I used to believe in "KI". Then I believed in "Kokyu". Then I didn't believe that they were the same thing, especially when people who talk about KI are really referring to Kokyu. Then Abe Sensei explained the relationship between these two things to me. Now I can't figure out which comes first the KI or the Kokyu... Anyone?

...I used to believe that I would live in Japan, speak fluent Japanese, have a Japanese family, wear kimono and getta all day and run my own dojo. One out of five aint bad, right?

...I used to believe that mastering Aikido was important. Now I believe that practicing it is.

...I used to believe that throwing a person without touching them was going to take a lifetime to understand. Now that I can do it, I still don't understand it.

Misogi-no-Gyo
04-08-2003, 11:29 PM
...I used to believe O-Sensei knew what he was talking about, but somehow everyone keeps changing it to make it better, I guess.
This was supposed to read:

...I used to believe O-Sensei knew what he was talking about, but since everyone keeps on changing it, I guess Aikido must be getting better.

Paula Lydon
04-10-2003, 06:53 PM
~~Then: Aikido can teach me magic

~~Now: Aikido constantly reminds me that the magic's in me

~~Then: Aikidoka are 'probably' more spiritually developed

~~Now: Surprise! Folks are folks, but it's helping ME toward greater developement

~~Then: Much of Aikido techniques/application are 'not as good' as those of other MA

~~Now: On one level true--on many, many levels FALSE

~~Then: Aikido will augment my 'real training'

~~Now: Aikido IS my real training