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Gatekeeper
09-29-2000, 07:24 PM
I have heard it's because of the seven pillars. But what are these seven pillars and where do they originate from. Currently, I train in a part time school in my college and we generally have many new people each year. This is nice but it also doesn't allow us much in the way of indepth training... This is my way of apologizing for being ignorant... Thanks for the help.

Gatekeeper

rch
09-29-2000, 09:07 PM
Benevolence
Justice
Manners
Wisdom
Faithfulness

The other two, I don't know. I'm not even sure about these 5. Just something I remember reading on a kendo site.

Greg Jennings
09-29-2000, 09:18 PM
Gatekeeper wrote:
I have heard it's because of the seven pillars. But what are these seven pillars and where do they originate from. Currently, I train in a part time school in my college and we generally have many new people each year. This is nice but it also doesn't allow us much in the way of indepth training... This is my way of apologizing for being ignorant... Thanks for the help.
Gatekeeper
Er, ah, I thought it was so it would lay flat.

Seriously, different people attach different meanings. I'm pretty sure that the pleats came first and later someone attached some meaning to them.

Pick seven virtues that mean something to you and think about them when you put on or put away your culottes, er, ah, hakama.

BTW, before you notice, the pleats on the Bujin hakama are reversed because Ikeda Sensei wanted it that way....

Cas Long
09-30-2000, 10:40 AM
Hi Guys,

Maybe this could be of interest? :

http://members.aol.com/naginata/pleats.html

Regards....

andrew
10-01-2000, 09:02 AM
Greg Jennings wrote:
BTW, before you notice, the pleats on the Bujin hakama are reversed because Ikeda Sensei wanted it that way....
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But isn't that because they're simply to sew that way?
andrew

Gatekeeper
10-01-2000, 08:59 PM
Thank you so much Cas that was exactly what I was looking for!

Cas Long
10-02-2000, 05:06 AM
Gatekeeper,

No problem-glad to be of some help....

samadhi
09-07-2007, 10:41 PM
There are seven pleats (five in the front and two in the back) and that these represent the seven virtues of budo:

Jin: benevolence
Gi: honor or justice
Rei: courtesy and etiquette
Chi: wisdom, intellligence
Shin: sincerity
Chu: loyalty
Koh: piety

The five pleats in the front are the five virtues; gotoku, of Japanese traditional society, with the one in the back representing all five virtues are actually one major one, that of being a complete human being.

The five are:

Chuu: loyalty
Ko: justice
Jin: humanity; compassion
Gi: from giri; or honor
Rei: respect

From: http://members.aol.com/naginata/pleats.html

guest89893
09-08-2007, 09:35 PM
Hmm...
And here I thought the seven pleats were Sleepy,Dopey, Grumpy,Happy,Bashful,Sneezy,Doc
;) :D
Gene

dps
09-08-2007, 10:48 PM
Hmm...
And here I thought the seven pleats were Sleepy,Dopey, Grumpy,Happy,Bashful,Sneezy,Doc
;) :D
Gene

No, those were the Seven Samurai.

David

guest89893
09-08-2007, 11:01 PM
No, those were the Seven Samurai.

David

:D :D

Eric Webber
09-09-2007, 12:07 PM
Saotome Sensei has a chapter on hakama in his book, "The Principles of Aikido," gives some good info.

philippe willaume
09-10-2007, 10:17 AM
There are seven pleats (five in the front and two in the back) and that these represent the seven virtues of budo:

Jin: benevolence
Gi: honor or justice
Rei: courtesy and etiquette
Chi: wisdom, intellligence
Shin: sincerity
Chu: loyalty
Koh: piety

The five pleats in the front are the five virtues; gotoku, of Japanese traditional society, with the one in the back representing all five virtues are actually one major one, that of being a complete human being.

The five are:

Chuu: loyalty
Ko: justice
Jin: humanity; compassion
Gi: from giri; or honor
Rei: respect

From: http://members.aol.com/naginata/pleats.html
Does this mean that we fart on Koh (piety) and Shin (sincerity) then ?
phil

Infantryman1990
09-17-2007, 09:28 PM
:D :D

I thought the Seven Samurai was Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson... oh, wait. . . they were the warrior bugs in A Bug's Life. . . aw, same source material.

Kurosawa Lives!