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MrIggy
05-01-2019, 01:23 PM
I got a couple of questions regarding certain naming of techniques in the system (Hiroshi Tada/Masatomi Ikeda) I'm following and I was wondering if others could help with translations.

First, Shomenuchi Kiawase. Essentially the way we do it is like an upper cut. What would the actual translation to English mean?
MRoh
05-02-2019, 08:37 AM
Ki-awase means "blending with your partners ki".

Technically the attack is a forward strike to the head with tegatana, beginning from chudan position.
MrIggy
05-09-2019, 04:52 AM
Ki-awase means "blending with your partners ki".

Technically the attack is a forward strike to the head with tegatana, beginning from chudan position.

That's one way, the other would be with a fist so it would basically be an upper cut.
MRoh
05-09-2019, 08:31 AM
That's one way, the other would be with a fist so it would basically be an upper cut.

Thats possible too.
But if we talk about correct translation, "shomen" means the front of the head,
respectively the forehead.
An uppercut would rather hit the chin.
MRoh
05-09-2019, 08:56 AM
Uppercut would rather be age (rising) tsuki, or ago (chin) tsuki.
Or appakato アッパーカット.
Bernd Lehnen
05-09-2019, 12:43 PM
Ki-awase means "blending with your partners ki".

Technically the attack is a forward strike to the head with tegatana, beginning from chudan position.

Seems there are at least two common possible scenarios for shomen-uchi. One where nage waits for uke to initiate shomen-uchi

https://youtu.be/lfEVcvTdTU0

Or the old form, where nage initiates a technique using shomen-uchii, in this case sometimes like a simple sliding forward movement to the forehead., but at the same time as if deflecting the tip of ukes sword ( ukes tegatana).

https://youtu.be/y7WN6NUn810

Best,
Bernd
MRoh
05-10-2019, 04:55 AM
Seems there are at least two common possible scenarios for shomen-uchi.

Thats right, but for ki awase it doesn't matter, both exercise Partners move nearly simultaniously.
Who initiates the movement is just positiv or negativ, yin or yang.
Of course, as fas as ikkyo is concerned, the original method is that tori initiates the movement-
odudog
06-13-2019, 07:02 PM
Your discussion is now getting into the go no sen, sen no sen, and sen sen no sen arguments.

go no sen - nage is reacting after the attack has begun (awase is too late)
sen no sen - nage reacts exatly when the attack begins (awase is spot on)
sen sen no sen - nage attacks as soon as he perceives a threat (awase is early)