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zyril
08-22-2002, 10:09 AM
Hello,

I'm new here but find your comments and insights very helpful.

I have also been surfing the web and found this interesting
site about The Teachings of Jesus.

If anyone is interested here's the link,

http://www.jesusteachings.com


Hope you enjoy it.

Jim ashby
08-24-2002, 11:13 AM
Back again Zyril. I see you're flogging a different dead horse.

Have fun.

Bruce Baker
08-24-2002, 02:04 PM
Imagine there was no Jesus, just the teachings of some mad crazy person.

Now come up with how these teachings relate to the universe, and how they relate to Aikido?

When you get your 10,000 page treatise published ... save one for me.

Jim ashby
08-25-2002, 04:35 AM
I take back my original post. Having wasted several hours perusing your site, I realise it's the same dead horse, just with a different coat.

Have fun.

Bruce Baker
08-25-2002, 09:53 AM
Find the scientific reasons to believe in your faith, how men have manipulated the doctrines to their own purposes, and with universal truths, we return to the question the universe being god, not the man made deitys of our ancestors.

Find the truths that apply to your lessons of today, and then quoting from scripture or ancient texts are enjoyable, but not absolute guides.

Of course, people ride dead horses all the time, but that would be a merry go round, wouldn't it?

virginia_kyu
08-25-2002, 10:04 PM
Wow, such intolerance from poeple who claim to be so open minded and enlightened by the aiki philosophy.

Jim ashby
08-26-2002, 01:59 PM
Sorry Michael. I've never claimed to be open minded or enlightened on these forums. However I've read the stuff peddled by this Zyril Zayhren (he claims he's an alien sent to enlighten us BTW) and in my considered opinion it's rubbish. What really burns me is that he expects level headed adults to buy this rubbish, furthermore he expects the Aikido community to be gullible enough to swallow his line. If you wish, follow the link to his site/s and see for yourself.

Have fun.

virginia_kyu
08-26-2002, 02:14 PM
I want to see where he claims to be an alien, if it is true then I will agree with you.

zyril
08-26-2002, 08:19 PM
Only expect people to let others make up their own minds as to what is valuable and what is rubbish. Not for you - great!
Sorry Michael. I've never claimed to be open minded or enlightened on these forums. However I've read the stuff peddled by this Zyril Zayhren (he claims he's an alien sent to enlighten us BTW) and in my considered opinion it's rubbish. What really burns me is that he expects level headed adults to buy this rubbish, furthermore he expects the Aikido community to be gullible enough to swallow his line. If you wish, follow the link to his site/s and see for yourself.

Have fun.

Jim ashby
08-27-2002, 05:57 AM
Hi Michael. Find Zyril's first thread, I think it was called "original teachings", follow the link and read on!

Have fun

Jim ashby
08-27-2002, 06:46 AM
Hi again Mike. It was called spiritual freedom. I found it again by using the find other posts tool (really handy Jun. On there the website is listed.

Have fun.

virginia_kyu
08-27-2002, 10:41 AM
I saw it but I did not have the patience to read through the entire website, I have to agree it was a bit odd.

Jim ashby
08-27-2002, 01:12 PM
I agree it is a bit odd. In the same way that everest is a bit high and concorde is a bit fast.

Have fun.

virginia_kyu
08-27-2002, 10:37 PM
:D

Pretoriano
08-28-2002, 06:58 PM
What it has to be stated is that we are little people compared with great teachings.

Said it: WE ARE ARE LITTLE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THOSE GREAT TEACHINGS.

Im Buddist,

Pretorian

zyril
08-29-2002, 01:11 PM
maybe you should understand a little about your mind and what makes it work the way it does. if you are really interested you can find more then enough answers here

http://originalteaching.com

Pretoriano
08-29-2002, 08:48 PM
Thank you Zyril, for the link, Yes that are for people who wants more than what the typical library offers, even I ve already the answers I need, Ill take a look closely.

Thanks again,

Pretorian

zyril
08-30-2002, 09:57 AM
You're welcome. Enjoy..

chadsieger
08-30-2002, 12:06 PM
TV SERIES: Married with Children

This is the epitome of the modern human consciousness. This is the typical example of the average working man and his family - in a nutshell. It shows all the primative thoughts, feelings, and automatic reactions of the modern day human mind. Not much creativity, although they do try, just automates. The mind leading them around like the puppeteer moving the marrionette.

The link also has movie reviews.:D

Bruce Baker
08-30-2002, 03:00 PM
Anytime a religion is motivated by monetary renumeration, such as professional hierarchy of priests, bishops, and great and greater leadership, it does become a pyramid scheme of money glorifying the greatness of ones ticket to heaven. We, as human beings have this incredible flaw of physical glorification to buy us entrance to higher plane of existence.

Terrible way to be, but each of our religious clubs deign they are the chosen of some higher power. If it creates peace, promotes the common good, and isn't forced upon the masses, I say go for it, be happy.

But if it is the exclusion of any and all outside the doctrine, then I say, eat dirt and die.

Aikido is not just the way to get along with everyliving thing, but it also contains the means of death when there is no possible way to create harmony other than enforcing what is right with a death.

Jesus? Well, by todays standards he would need to show his passport for the years he left his family and traveled. Show me how his teaching were not the modification of Buddhism and I will show you how they were.

Then I will show you how the Christian religion was changed by the hierarchy through the years. Humanity is a bitch on wheels trying to be a saint. Aikido is another key to the puzzle of life. Turn the key and see what is behind the door or Aikido?

Kevin Leavitt
08-30-2002, 10:22 PM
Nice post Bruce, Can't say for sure that Jesus' teaching were modified Buddhism, but I do find many similarities, infact my practice of buddhism as shown me just how rich the teachings he had are. The Ironic thing is move supposed move away from Christianity has actually brought me closer to the teaching of Jesus!

On another note, I am confused on why some of you are upset with Zyril? How does what he says impact you in anyway?

Frankly I find it interesting to see what another persons thoughts are, I always learn something, even if I may not agree with the underlying philosophy or dogma attached to it!

Jim ashby
08-31-2002, 01:13 PM
I am not upset at Zyril per se. However I do take exception to people coming on to an Aikido forum and peddling their goods, especially if they think we're as flakey as them and will swallow a line like Zyril the alien is punting. My religious beliefs (or lack of them)are a matter of record on these forums. If you feel that life just isn't enough without buying a book on the subliminal messages in star trek you have my pity.

Have fun.

Kevin Leavitt
09-01-2002, 12:14 AM
My philosophy is that everyone is selling something even if it is their ideas.

Jim, how does what he is posting affect you?

Sounds somewhat judgemental on your part. Heck he has only posted 10 times since Feb 2002.

Jim ashby
09-01-2002, 03:46 PM
On these forums I am selling nothing unlike Zyril the alien. I make my living by selling. Zyril the alien does not actually impinge upon my life other than by expecting that we, as Aikidoka, should be interested in his insane ramblings. It is unfortunate that there are people that may actually buy the crap that he peddles, however there are stupid people as normal ones.

Have fun

zyril
09-03-2002, 07:54 AM
Here's something different

http://originalteaching.com

Pretoriano
09-04-2002, 05:27 PM
What is this? this is how you finish such a post? saying not to buy that crap from the insane who was rambling, probably you re a Jew, like Jesus.

Pretorian

Jim ashby
09-05-2002, 03:05 AM
Hi Manuel. I am not a Jew, I am an atheist.

Have fun.

Brian H
09-06-2002, 12:34 PM
Zyril the alien does not actually impinge upon my life other than by expecting that we, as Aikidoka, should be interested in his insane ramblings.
Any insanity is the reality of at least one person.

I like to toss that out to cops when I am teaching them about confronting people who are coo-coo-for-coco-puffs.

Bruce Baker
09-06-2002, 03:58 PM
You know ... I don't think we are personally upset with Mr. Zyril, but the fact that each new slant upon religion becomes another club to raise money, and build glorification to a god? Scams? Bogus fundraisers? Twisted moral beliefs from twisted words where the meanings are created to fit the theology?

The closer we come to understanding our place in the universe, the more we push away the religions of glorification to religion with money, and understand the link we actually do have with our god, sometimes the id of our subconsciousness.

So, take heart, Mr. Zyril. Those of us who protest the loudest are not angry at you, but angry that you have not tried to see a bigger picture than one you have presented in this thread.

Besides, how the in the sixteen satanic curses does it relate to Aikido? Just wondering?

Kevin Leavitt
09-06-2002, 07:29 PM
Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

I tend to agree, anything other than that is just different.

I cannot for sure say what Mr. Zyril's motives are without talking to him or exploring them. I am sure that if he would expound upon them that their would be something in it that would expand my horizons a little more.

It really is all in his intentions, which frankly, I don't know how anyone would know what they are. Seem like some assume he simply is trying to sell something, and not share his joy of life or god with us.

For me it is hard to say. But I'd definitely be interested to hear a little more and not simply a link to a website.

Bruce Baker
09-09-2002, 04:41 PM
I think that's enough of this talking.

I say we all get together, train, and thump each other until we crawl. Then, we all get sloppy drunk and either pass out or throw up.

That about sums up the most religious experience I've ever had.

I know there a lesson in there somewhere, and even one for the meaning of Aikido, but the experience defines the action, word, and deed more expertly than I could ever describe.