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Janet Rosen
01-15-2015, 04:32 AM
Hey, some of us are slow learners.
January of 1996 I bowed in to the shomen for the first time.
January of 2014 I ranked for Shodan.
Test was a lot of fun. Then I saw the videos and saw lots of things I didn't like.
Such is Life :-) Once again, I suck at a higher level.

Currawong
01-15-2015, 05:01 AM
Allow me to join you...

1992 was my first time, in high school.
1998 Shodan.
2014 Nidan.

Sensei told me I was too stiff after doing shihonage on me last night. I still haven't learned to relax. The tension is in my mind.

頭が硬い, 体が硬い

I reckon need to video myself regularly so I can examine my technique. I feel it is beneficial. Pro sports practitioners do it, I don't see why we shouldn't as well. :)

Mary Eastland
01-15-2015, 06:25 AM
Hey Janet, Happy Birthday.

Congrats on your test. I am glad it was fun.

lbb
01-15-2015, 07:19 AM
Congratulations on the journey, Janet.

akiy
01-15-2015, 08:32 AM
Hi Janet,

Congratulations! Now, get back to practice.

(And, I'm guessing you meant to write "January of 2015 I ranked for Shodan".)

-- Jun

phitruong
01-15-2015, 10:38 AM
Hey, some of us are slow learners.
January of 1996 I bowed in to the shomen for the first time.
January of 2014 I ranked for Shodan.
Test was a lot of fun. Then I saw the videos and saw lots of things I didn't like.
Such is Life :-) Once again, I suck at a higher level.

19 year olds shodan. hmmm..... just younger and younger every day. :)

Michael Hackett
01-15-2015, 11:04 AM
Congrats on your Shodan, Brooklyn!!!!

Krystal Locke
01-15-2015, 12:04 PM
Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment, drink beer, order pizza.

Seriously, and the bunnies can pardon my French, but...

It. Is. So. About. Fucking. Time.

You've been at the rank for years. Glad someone finally made you own up to it. Go train.

Krystal Locke
01-15-2015, 12:13 PM
So, your belt is still going to be sticking out funny when you can post in the 20-years experience section. I'm finding that funny. And great.

Susan Dalton
01-15-2015, 01:17 PM
Yay, Janet! I'll bet you wouldn't be so harsh about someone else's video! Besides if you were already perfect, why would you need to practice? Congratulations, and yay again!

Janet Rosen
01-15-2015, 05:04 PM
Hey, some of us are slow learners.
January of 1996 I bowed in to the shomen for the first time.
January of 2014 I ranked for Shodan.
Test was a lot of fun. Then I saw the videos and saw lots of things I didn't like.
Such is Life :-) Once again, I suck at a higher level.

EEK. Thanks, Jun. YES it was last night. January 2015!

Janet Rosen
01-15-2015, 05:07 PM
Yay, Janet! I'll bet you wouldn't be so harsh about someone else's video! Besides if you were already perfect, why would you need to practice? Congratulations, and yay again!

Well, I'm realist enough to understand that the test and the videos capture a moment in time that includes how I felt last night, how ukes were, what specific stress I was or was not feeling, and to also realize that it is not a transcendent moment but a milestone along the ongoing path. I was happy about many things and see where I need to focus during coming months.

Janet Rosen
01-15-2015, 10:43 PM
Photos
https://www.flickr.com/photos/zanshinart/16289316861/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/zanshinart/15671232293/

Currawong
01-16-2015, 12:21 AM
EEK. Thanks, Jun. YES it was last night. January 2015!

Congratulations!

robin_jet_alt
01-16-2015, 12:49 AM
Congratulations!

robin_jet_alt
01-16-2015, 12:51 AM
By the way, on an unrelated note, I love the picture of your watermelon radishes. I have been growing them too, and they are great!

PeterR
01-16-2015, 02:58 AM
Long time coming - glad to see your milestone was reached. No need to tell you what comes next.

Congratulations.

Janet Rosen
01-16-2015, 10:11 AM
Long time coming - glad to see your milestone was reached. No need to tell you what comes next.

Congratulations.

LOL! More training..... :)

barron
01-16-2015, 12:07 PM
Congratulations

I'll always remember what my first sensei (Sensei Inaba 6th Dan Calgary Aikikai )told me after a kyu test and it still holds true , "Now that you've finished your test you have time to really learn the techniques !" :) I'm still working on ikkyo after 15 years :(

Walter Martindale
01-16-2015, 01:09 PM
Congratulations Janet.
I'm also similar. 1972 start judo, 1980 shodan. Stop (injury)
1993 birthday present to myself, start aikido, (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan)
2007 shodan, Calgary, AB.
2009, nidan, Christchurch, NZ.
Now, the rust is setting in.. Not sure I can remember how to tie the hakama.

mathewjgano
01-16-2015, 01:47 PM
Nicely done, Janet! Thank you for the example you set!

Steven
01-16-2015, 02:23 PM
Congratulations Janet.

Susan Dalton
01-16-2015, 03:27 PM
I love the pictures. Thanks for sharing them. About videos, funny how one's perspective changes. After one of my kyu tests, I was so embarrassed I offered to retest even after I learned I had passed. And much later I thought I had a magnificent nidan test. Now when I look at tapes, I can't remember what was so awful about that particular kyu test--looks like a run of the mill kyu test to me. And my nidan test was much more magnificent in my mind than on the tape--nothing particularly spectacular about it at all.

Reminds me of my friend who wasn't going to buy a portrait package because she had two chins in the picture. The salesperson said, "Honey, one day you'll look back at this picture and say, 'Wasn't I cute back when I only had 2 chins.'" My friend bought the package.

Janet Rosen
01-16-2015, 06:41 PM
By the way, on an unrelated note, I love the picture of your watermelon radishes. I have been growing them too, and they are great!

MMMMMM....yes.....watermelon daikon...put it in my kimchi!

Janet Rosen
01-16-2015, 06:45 PM
Reminds me of my friend who wasn't going to buy a portrait package because she had two chins in the picture. The salesperson said, "Honey, one day you'll look back at this picture and say, 'Wasn't I cute back when I only had 2 chins.'" My friend bought the package.

:D FABULOUS story!! and with that....ok....deep breath....the first five videos are up and more will get added as I upload them....

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvDyI_M38AeqAFnyzATPaZ8ab8bvrpGBp

Currawong
01-16-2015, 08:50 PM
Janet: Very nice of you to share those videos.

If ever you had the inclination to visit, reckon you'd enjoy training down here in Kyushu, as we train at about that pace.

I love the pictures. Thanks for sharing them. About videos, funny how one's perspective changes. After one of my kyu tests, I was so embarrassed I offered to retest even after I learned I had passed. And much later I thought I had a magnificent nidan test. Now when I look at tapes, I can't remember what was so awful about that particular kyu test--looks like a run of the mill kyu test to me. And my nidan test was much more magnificent in my mind than on the tape--nothing particularly spectacular about it at all.


There was a video of an Australian Summer School where I was 3rd kyu and I was in front of the camera. I looked awful. Later on, Sugano Sensei told me off (indirectly) for not upping the pace of my shodan grading and I sure didn't feel like I was good at Aikido at all. Only my recent, and much later nidan grading felt OK, with no major issues, and everyone afterwards said I looked good.

Janet Rosen
01-17-2015, 12:42 AM
Janet: Very nice of you to share those videos.

If ever you had the inclination to visit, reckon you'd enjoy training down here in Kyushu, as we train at about that pace. .

LOL! I train at that pace because I am middle-aged and have a Very Bum Knee and have no choice. Same reason I don't do big swoopy moves (well that and originally being from Brooklyn I prefer a more direct approach. Come in please and SIT DOWN) :) But I appreciate the invitation. Always have had great times when visiting other dojo.

robin_jet_alt
01-17-2015, 04:52 AM
Hi Janet,

It's always scary to post videos for others to judge. Congratulations on making it through, even with the bum knee.

I'm intrigued to hear what style you do. The little skip in ikkyo (and don't blame your knee - the other guy did a bigger skip) suggests something from the ki society lineage, but the exaggerated arm-bar in the shiho-nage looks like mainstream aikikai.

Robin

Janet Rosen
01-17-2015, 11:06 AM
First of all, thank you to each and every one of you for your comments to date and I will try to reply over the weekend....
Second, added a few more videos and I think the total will be between 10 and 12 of these short ones....

Janet Rosen
01-17-2015, 04:54 PM
Appreciate reading of other older folks who started late and persevered :-)
Re Robin's q about lineage. I am a longtime aikimutt who has been part of four dojos with distinctly different flavors since starting in 1996, as well as cross-training.

my current home dojo in the town I moved to in 2008, and that will be my home dojo forever unless I pick up and relocate (which is unlikely) is sort of a hybrid in terms of afiliation (currently indep) but lineage was Tohei from when he was Hombu Chief Instructor both directly and through the early Hawaiin guys - so Gayle Fillman Sensei trained with an emhasis on ki (and the hop) but through the big longshoremen and law enforcement guys also always stressed being effective. She taught many workshops for sheriff deputies and tribal police (it's why she insisted on doing kotegaishe as a control to faceplant rather than a projection).

My personal preference with thumb arthritis, weakened wrists, and bum knee is to do smaller movement, less footwork, and project down/out rather than either pinning or flinging away. Were I to go to the mat on ikkyo, I wouldn't hop but would drop in place. Since I can't drop the hop is an excellent way of keeping uke off-balanced during forward-downward trajectory, more so than sliding or stepping.

JP3
01-17-2015, 05:39 PM
Hey Janet, good job and excellent sticktoitiveness, yes that's a word, I just spelled it, didn't I?

And you're right, be Big Eye int he Sky Don't Lie, as they say in the NFL. Watching oneself in video shows you the flaws you are used to seeing in other folks, but just don't think you do, too. It's .... eye-opening, eh!

Good for you,a nd well done.

robin_jet_alt
01-17-2015, 10:28 PM
Appreciate reading of other older folks who started late and persevered :-)
Re Robin's q about lineage. I am a longtime aikimutt who has been part of four dojos with distinctly different flavors since starting in 1996, as well as cross-training.

my current home dojo in the town I moved to in 2008, and that will be my home dojo forever unless I pick up and relocate (which is unlikely) is sort of a hybrid in terms of afiliation (currently indep) but lineage was Tohei from when he was Hombu Chief Instructor both directly and through the early Hawaiin guys - so Gayle Fillman Sensei trained with an emhasis on ki (and the hop) but through the big longshoremen and law enforcement guys also always stressed being effective. She taught many workshops for sheriff deputies and tribal police (it's why she insisted on doing kotegaishe as a control to faceplant rather than a projection).

My personal preference with thumb arthritis, weakened wrists, and bum knee is to do smaller movement, less footwork, and project down/out rather than either pinning or flinging away. Were I to go to the mat on ikkyo, I wouldn't hop but would drop in place. Since I can't drop the hop is an excellent way of keeping uke off-balanced during forward-downward trajectory, more so than sliding or stepping.

That explains it. I'm also in my 4th distinct style, so I can relate

Peter Goldsbury
01-18-2015, 12:49 AM
Appreciate reading of other older folks who started late and persevered :-)
Re Robin's q about lineage. I am a longtime aikimutt who has been part of four dojos with distinctly different flavors since starting in 1996, as well as cross-training.

my current home dojo in the town I moved to in 2008, and that will be my home dojo forever unless I pick up and relocate (which is unlikely) is sort of a hybrid in terms of afiliation (currently indep) but lineage was Tohei from when he was Hombu Chief Instructor both directly and through the early Hawaiin guys - so Gayle Fillman Sensei trained with an emhasis on ki (and the hop) but through the big longshoremen and law enforcement guys also always stressed being effective. She taught many workshops for sheriff deputies and tribal police (it's why she insisted on doing kotegaishe as a control to faceplant rather than a projection).

My personal preference with thumb arthritis, weakened wrists, and bum knee is to do smaller movement, less footwork, and project down/out rather than either pinning or flinging away. Were I to go to the mat on ikkyo, I wouldn't hop but would drop in place. Since I can't drop the hop is an excellent way of keeping uke off-balanced during forward-downward trajectory, more so than sliding or stepping.

Hello Janet,

Here in Hiroshima, I was always taught to do kotegaeshi as a control, rather than as a projection. The chief instructor likened the movement to rolling a carpet (which means that it should be done around knee level).

I looked at the videos and noticed that you did not finish 1-kyou with a pin. Have you been taught an old-style 1-kyou, with both of uke's arms pinned? This removes the need for seiza. I did this once at a demonstration in front of the present Doshu and he came to me afterwards and asked about my knees. I told him I was learning to compensate for them. You can also see a similar movement as a henka waza for kaiten nage.

Best wishes,

Janet Rosen
01-18-2015, 03:11 PM
Hello Janet,

Here in Hiroshima, I was always taught to do kotegaeshi as a control, rather than as a projection. The chief instructor likened the movement to rolling a carpet (which means that it should be done around knee level).

I looked at the videos and noticed that you did not finish 1-kyou with a pin. Have you been taught an old-style 1-kyou, with both of uke's arms pinned? This removes the need for seiza. I did this once at a demonstration in front of the present Doshu and he came to me afterwards and asked about my knees. I told him I was learning to compensate for them. You can also see a similar movement as a henka waza for kaiten nage.

Best wishes,

Hello, Peter!
I have NOT seen the double pin from standing...if you (or anybody) has picture or video would love to see it!
My norm, if asked to demo a pin from ikkyo, is to do a standing sankyo pin. As I also have thumb arthritis there is a very limited time factor in an evening to how often I can manage any grip at all (I am not discussing vise grips but the normal grip a person needs to hold a wine glass) so I didn't want to demo more pins than they were asking for (two days before testing I was asked if I could at least demo the cradle lock for nikkyo once as nobody in this dojo had ever seen me do one :-) I said, yep, once, on the side I can go down on)

Peter Goldsbury
01-18-2015, 03:58 PM
Hello, Peter!
I have NOT seen the double pin from standing...if you (or anybody) has picture or video would love to see it!
My norm, if asked to demo a pin from ikkyo, is to do a standing sankyo pin. As I also have thumb arthritis there is a very limited time factor in an evening to how often I can manage any grip at all (I am not discussing vise grips but the normal grip a person needs to hold a wine glass) so I didn't want to demo more pins than they were asking for (two days before testing I was asked if I could at least demo the cradle lock for nikkyo once as nobody in this dojo had ever seen me do one :-) I said, yep, once, on the side I can go down on)

Hello Janet,

With this pin you do not need to grip at all. I first saw it done by the late Rinjiro Shirata, who said it was done before the war. He once gave a seminar in Hiroshima and we have used the pin ever since, along with the normal 1-kyou pin. I do not often give seminars, but I will be in Europe in March and it will probably be videotaped.

Janet Rosen
01-18-2015, 05:43 PM
Hello Janet,

With this pin you do not need to grip at all. I first saw it done by the late Rinjiro Shirata, who said it was done before the war. He once gave a seminar in Hiroshima and we have used the pin ever since, along with the normal 1-kyou pin. I do not often give seminars, but I will be in Europe in March and it will probably be videotaped.

I look forward to it...Thank you, as always, Peter.

nikyu62
01-19-2015, 01:06 PM
Congrats on your shodan; well earned.

Janet Rosen
01-19-2015, 11:39 PM
Thank you!

Tim Ruijs
02-04-2015, 01:42 AM
Congrats! perseverance rules
For the Kote gaeshi we have several solutions.
first, aite ends on his back and you turn him around (palm of hand over face, rotate using the elbow) end in nikkyo control.
second, when aite just about hits the floor, immediately turn him over and pin the shoulder (using his arm similar to walking stick and lean).
Third, nage waza, you throw aite (most often in forward freefall/breakfall)

RobLinx
02-19-2015, 09:33 PM
Congratulations, Janet!!

I started in 1983, and took my first Shodan test tonight, 32 years on. Sometimes our paths meander, but the goal remains the same. :-)

Mary Eastland
02-20-2015, 06:15 AM
Congratulations Rob.

Janet Rosen
02-20-2015, 11:29 AM
Congratulations, Janet!!

I started in 1983, and took my first Shodan test tonight, 32 years on. Sometimes our paths meander, but the goal remains the same. :-)

Congratulation, Rob!

ramenboy
02-23-2015, 11:11 AM
congrats, janet!!!

cool flickr pics!!! who's the mean guy in the second pic?