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Sojourner
12-28-2014, 05:09 AM
Greetings all, I came across this short video which I would like to run past the group for critique. First off I wanted to ask if this technique is found in the Aikido syllabus as it looks to me like something that I have learned, but I cannot place it. I am aware of the cross over between Aikido-Hapkido and Daito Ryu and wondered if this is one such example?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1570216606526154&set=o.277364655746325&type=2&theater

fatebass21
12-28-2014, 08:13 AM
Looks like a simple kotegashi to me.

Adam Huss
12-28-2014, 04:57 PM
yeah it's a version of kotegaeshi, some call it reverse kotegaeshi or gyaku kotehaeshi, because nage's hand position orientation is the reverse of normal kihon. hand position is probably a little different than what I've learned but it looks like same basic principle. Guy who stared hapkido was a Korean uchideshi of Morihei Ueshiba.

PeterR
12-28-2014, 05:06 PM
yeah it's a version of kotegaeshi, some call it reverse kotegaeshi or gyaku kotehaeshi, because nage's hand position orientation is the reverse of normal kihon. hand position is probably a little different than what I've learned but it looks like same basic principle. Guy who stared hapkido was a Korean uchideshi of Morihei Ueshiba.

Who? Thought it was a student of Takeda.

Janet Rosen
12-28-2014, 05:06 PM
Looks like a simple kotegashi to me.

yep

Chris Li
12-28-2014, 08:17 PM
yeah it's a version of kotegaeshi, some call it reverse kotegaeshi or gyaku kotehaeshi, because nage's hand position orientation is the reverse of normal kihon. hand position is probably a little different than what I've learned but it looks like same basic principle. Guy who stared hapkido was a Korean uchideshi of Morihei Ueshiba.

Choi Yong-Sool trained with Sokaku Takeda, actually - as the story goes, it's a little controversial. There's also another Korean who studied with Takeda, Jang In Mok, I've seen photos of his Daito-ryu scrolls issued by Toshimi Matsuda.

Best,

Chris

MRoh
12-29-2014, 04:40 AM
Choi Yong-Sool trained with Sokaku Takeda, actually - as the story goes, it's a little controversial.

His name does not appear in Sokakus recordings.
Furthermore his story can't be true, because it contradicts to historical facts.
He told that he lived 30 years in Sokakus home as a servant and trained with him all that time.
He also told, that when Sokaku felt he would die, he commited seppuku, and he, choi, was his kaishaku-nin.

Chris Li
12-29-2014, 08:22 AM
His name does not appear in Sokakus recordings.
Furthermore his story can't be true, because it contradicts to historical facts.
He told that he lived 30 years in Sokakus home as a servant and trained with him all that time.
He also told, that when Sokaku felt he would die, he commited seppuku, and he, choi, was his kaishaku-nin.

It's certainly true that some parts of the story seem to be contradictory. On the other hand, that doesn't meant that there is no truth to the story at all (Morihei Ueshiba's stories have been known to clash with established fact as well), and films and photos of Choi are actually quite similar to Daito-ryu. In either case, even if there were no truth to the Choi story there's still Jang In Mok.

Best,

Chris

sorokod
12-30-2014, 02:44 PM
it is close to a kihon Iwama katatedori kotegashi , except that the doer doesn't get off the line.

See here http://youtu.be/Js6TUS9vbuY at about 2:55 how Nemoto sensei does it