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tedehara
07-27-2002, 05:45 AM
Ki testing (http://www.aikiweb.com/spiritual/reed2.html) was unique to the Ki Society, however there are aikido groups that have split off from the Ki Society that may practice it. The Ki Society is still the only group, to my knowledge, that utilizes a separate Ki test (http://home.att.net/~kcaikido/KItesting.htm) in conjunction with Aikido rank promotion.

Does all this worrying about Ki development seem excessive to you? Do you believe Ki can be tested? Is there any mention of Ki by your instructors, or do they tell you to 'Keep training' and not concern yourself about such things?

DaveO
07-27-2002, 06:37 AM
Interesting question, Ted. At my Dojo, Ki testing is certainly covered - we do a certain amount every day after hitori-waza. Personally, I think it's not excessive at all; Ki is the defining difference between Aikido and other MA - at my low level, I'm learning to 'move with ki' while performing technique. Even I can see - and feel - the difference between (for example) doing Ikkyo (Katate-tori) just using my arms and back, and with using one-point.

As far as testing goes, I think it's crucial, not only as an evaluation, but as a teaching tool, which is the greatest value of any good test.

Hope my humble opinion helps. :)

Dave

Hogan
07-27-2002, 09:02 AM
AAA (founded by the late Fumui Toyoda, past student to Koichi Tohei) does have KI tests as PART of their promotion tests - here is a link to one of their affiliates that shows some similarities:

http://www.aikidoworks.com/AAAtest.html#top

Shinjinkai Aikido (founded by Keith Moore, past uchideshi to Fumio Toyoda) has incorporated some of the same exercises, with additional ones. (www.shinjinkai.org).

tedehara
07-27-2002, 10:56 AM
I have been told that AAA does Ki testing, but this is the first time I've seen mention of it on tests.

It's good to see that Shinjinkai Aikido has decided to continure this training.

:)

Bronson
07-27-2002, 11:49 AM
What type of ki tests? Do you mean things like unbendable arm, fudotai sieza and tachi, unliftable and/or unbendable body? Those are all included in our normal testing (except unbendable body...we just do that for fun ;) )

Bronson

Oh BTW, I practice seidokan which was founded by the late Rod Kobayashi, yet another student of Tohei Sensei :) And yes, ki is mentioned all the time.

chadsieger
07-29-2002, 05:50 PM
In our dojo, although we use and believe in ki, our sensei rarely refers to its existance. Since it's use is required to perform all of our techniques, we do not have specific testing.

Essentially a curious uke will "ki down" during static training to test the ki of a nage. Ki sensitivity will allow the uke to apply the right amount of "counter ki" to insure the that the technique is performed correctly. Once the motion begins the uke simply follows the connection to the end of the move. If the nage's connection falters anywhere along this path, the uke will feel this instantly.

I guess you could say that we build ki through our practice of the techniques. Kokuyo Doza is our biggest "ki exercise," and we seem to be doing fine.

Thanks