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07-25-2002, 07:24 AM
maybe this should be in the spiritual section but.
Has anybody had any issues with aikido and its practices compared to what their culture/religion/morals dictate?
interesting question eh?
As a pagen i have no qualms at all bowing to the gods 'Kamiza' actualy pagen religion is all about honouring our elders and ancestors anyway so aikido is kewl in that way Eushiba was indeed a great man.
For one example of such, see the currently hotly debated thread, "Jewish issue" here:
I'm Pagan myself and have never had issues with the spiritual etiquette of Aikido.
However, at our dojo, one particular aikidoka left because, as a Moslim, he couldn't "cope with the so-called etiquette."
The other Mulsim student is still training but he barely "reis" during the opening and closing ceremonies, and doesn't bow at all to Sensei.
P.S.: What's with the 'pagen', 'kewl' and 'Eushiba'?? :D
07-25-2002, 05:31 PM
Pete...religion and spirituality, not the same thing in my book. Spirituality is your oneness with all; religion is what makes people crazy when they band together. Just my take. What's in your heart? Peace...
07-26-2002, 06:53 AM
I'm very happy this is an independent topic now. I condsider myself an amateur theologian and love robust and positive conversation about spirituality, world religions and the sort.
I love O-Sensei's quote here from "Memoir from the Master":
"When anybody asks is my Aiki budo principles are taken from religion, I say "No." My true budo principles enlighten religions and lead them to completion."
I feel this is true, not just for Aikido but for any budo. That this is a Universal truth. A martial discipline will help in a religious endevour.
I myself am not religious but am a Spiritualist. I am an ordained minister of a Universal Faith "church". I find that the philosophy of Aikido is one of many paths to seek Enlightenment and it is very steeped in common sense.
I consider dojo to be a sacred place; outside of the secular and profane world. I respect the Japanese culture and tradition. It's so different from my American culture. I find dojo culture to be equally fascinating. This is all new to me and I welcome it with open hands and arms.
I can only find conflict of religion and Aikido if the Aikidoka chooses to bring religion into dojo with them. I do not think there is violation of religion in practicing Aikido because dojo is a sacred space unto itself and the Aikidoka assumes resonsibilty for assimilating a different culture in order to learn. Can one learn Aikido without the culture...it becomes a bit "perverted" if so. It becomes purely a self-defense class. The spiritual aspect of Aikido is for me its greatest strength. All lessons learned on the mat are philosophical.
It's all a matter of learning "MASAKATSU AGATSU".
This is all IMHO, BTW.
07-26-2002, 07:05 AM
sorry Pagen is my idea of spelling ;)
Kewl is what it says its the local spelling of said Cool when you say it out loud it is different kinda but means the same thing :D
and it should be Ueshiba hehehe
otherwise erm, i've never viewed any religious conflicts so just really asking peeps
nice to know there is another pagan aikidoka out there tho, nice not to be alone
Btw have you ever been called a 'devil worshiper' or something similar and was it by a priest?
07-27-2002, 04:09 PM
Pagans are also a group in NJ who are a motorcycle gang, most of who are either in jail, dead, or mainstreamed because of stricter drug and alcohol laws.
The people with the lowest thoughts and dirtiest minds are those who find the most fault with others religious or moral principles.
Maybe we should have burned the accusers instead of the witches in the Salem, MA, witch trials?
08-13-2002, 11:57 AM
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