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Kensai
07-06-2002, 09:38 AM
There are a few styles of Aikido, like other martial arts. Within other martial systems such as Karate, the different styles seem to be more or less different martial arts and dont seem to recognise the other styles.

Is this the same for aikido? I mean, I practice Ki Aikido, but have so much respect of the other styles.

If you take a cheese cake and cut into thin or fat slices into triangles and circles it is still cheese cake, right?

Cheers

Chris

DetectiveDobbs
07-07-2002, 07:21 PM
Hello,if you say there are different styles of aikido,can you tell me how many styles the man who invented,created aikido made?Peace

Diablo
07-07-2002, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Kensai

If you take a cheese cake and cut into thin or fat slices into triangles and circles it is still cheese cake, right?

Cheers

Chris

Thin or fat slices and triangles and circles are irrivalent because we are using different recipes. It may still be cheesecake, but some have added blueberrys, strawberrys, or something to the mix to add to the flavor. Here is a site that mentions a few of the different styles.
http://www.ki-aikido.com/astyles.htm
Whenever I and a friend watch clips of other aikidoka doing aikido, I usually hear "He is doing that wrong (whatever technique is being viewed)" I say something like "that is there style", and he follows with "the way we do it is better". I think it would be safe to say there are many who think this way.
Personally, I like watching other Aikidoka perform, regardless of the style, because often times they do something that catches my eye and makes me say "wow, how did they do that?"

It's all about connection.
Diablo

batemanb
07-07-2002, 11:27 PM
I came upon that site last week, sorry to say that I didn`t think it was that well informed, especially with statements like this:

The Aikikai is the common name for the style formerly headed by Kisshomaru Ueshiba, O-sensei's son, as taught under the auspices of the International Aikido Federation.

PeterR
07-07-2002, 11:54 PM
It's always tough writing about something from the outside looking in.

For the different styles http://www.aikidofaq.com is as good a place as any to start.

I of course have problems with certain characterizations but it's close enough.

Kensai
07-08-2002, 06:11 AM
Different recipes, however it can be said that of all the martial arts Aikido has the closest links of its different styles. It is probably my untrained eye, but from what I have seen of Shodokan, Aikikai, Ki etc all th basics are the same. Although ther is a different emphasis on different areas like Ki cultivation or Randori.

I would like to think that Aikido is the same cake but just as you said different recipes.

All the best

Chris
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Bruce Baker
07-08-2002, 07:12 AM
Remembering that Aikido is formed from other arts, there will be many simularities to art formed into Aikido by O'Sensei, but one must understand the direction of evolution it seeks to attain.

True to its roots in hand to hand, weapons, and with de-emphasis upon violence with emphasis upon nonviolence the focus of the new art, Aikido, shifts to targeting broader ranges of submission points that cause the least of amount of physical damage to opponents.

The practictioner is encouraged to use the physical practice as well as their own moral character for the betterment of society and to continue to improve their spirit.

The techniques should be valid for both hand to hand and weapons, as they should be valid for pressure point techniques for advanced study. The actual change of techniques occurs in the early study and style of application which is based upon principles found in Japanese cultural and religious beliefs, but the application is for the physical practice to affect the self reflection of each person to find answers within the context of the physical practice.

In other words, you get out of it what you put into it.

If you apply the extracurricular studys of religious context to your physical practice, then you find your answers there.

If you apply the studys of other martial disciplines to your physical practice, then you find your answers there.

What is unique about True Aikido is the spirit of non-violence within the studys of a martial art that can be practice at the highest level without causing the physical and psychological damage that more martial arts cause because of their violent application when practiced at their higher levels.

So ... if you research the application of what is Aikido, or Aikido like because students of O'Sensei start their own styles, it may be that the name is not as important as the spirit of the practice or the caliber of techniques lives up to their ability to cross over from violent to non violent application in practice with true roots being intact.

True Aikido maintains its power without excessive force while using the power of circular motion from flowing movements, not continuous offensive movements such as striking or kicking, but harmonious motion that takes away or uses motion efficently.

May we should have degress of Aikido?

Almost Aikido.

Nearly Aikido.

No way is it Aikido.

Are you kidding me, what the hell is that, Aikido?

Damn, what is the name of your doctor, I want the same drugs you are on, Aikido?!?!

Lastly, it could of been Aikido if they would only stop hitting each other?

True Aikido? That is up to you.

Kensai
07-08-2002, 08:07 AM
A fine replie.

Answered my question beautifully

Cheers

Chris

Lyle Bogin
07-08-2002, 01:51 PM
"What is unique about True Aikido is the spirit of non-violence within the studys of a martial art that can be practice at the highest level without causing the physical and psychological damage that more martial arts cause because of their violent application when practiced at their higher levels."

I believe this is also true of the 3 Chinese internal arts, particularly ba gua and tai chi. As aikido has the relationship of uke and nage, ba gua has circle walking and tai chi has push hands.

So True Aikido is unique in the aspect Bruce has described (incredibly well) related to non-true aikido, but it is not unique realted to the scope of martial arts.