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Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 05:23 AM
Maybe you should try it. You don't seem to be communicating too terribly well with your own.

At least I communicate.... Are you going to put up a video soon?

Josh Reyer
04-22-2011, 08:56 AM
At least I communicate.... Are you going to put up a video soon?No need. I communicate with folks just fine.

Cliff Judge
04-22-2011, 11:16 AM
At least I communicate.... Are you going to put up a video soon?

Tony, have you put up a video of your Aikido? I'm just curious. You seem a bit particular about what it is and how training should be conducted and it would be nice to have a visual aid and see what you do.

Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 02:13 PM
No need. I communicate with folks just fine.

Cop out....

Cliff Judge
04-22-2011, 03:33 PM
Cop out....

Tony are you suggesting that Josh is copping out by refusing to post a video of himself? Since you brought up the topic, I am sure you must have posted some educational videos of yourself training and/or teaching proper Aikido. If you could post a link it would save me the trouble of reading through all of your posts looking for it. Youtube doesn't seem to have anything when I search "wagstaffe aikido."

Gorgeous George
04-22-2011, 03:38 PM
Tony are you suggesting that Josh is copping out by refusing to post a video of himself? Since you brought up the topic, I am sure you must have posted some educational videos of yourself training and/or teaching proper Aikido. If you could post a link it would save me the trouble of reading through all of your posts looking for it. Youtube doesn't seem to have anything when I search "wagstaffe aikido."

Check out the jo block at 3:40; can't wait to try that out on the streets!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWCvqhMFp48

Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 03:44 PM
Tony, have you put up a video of your Aikido? I'm just curious. You seem a bit particular about what it is and how training should be conducted and it would be nice to have a visual aid and see what you do.

Allright Cliff just for you,........ I usually let people find it as it gives 'em something to do?
In fact you can look at some old ones to... It was the start of a project that never quite got of the ground due to other commitments and time....

http://www.youtube.com/user/towag?feature=mhum#p/u/6/uQZ5szvFwGA

Cliff Judge
04-22-2011, 03:51 PM
Thank you, very nice. :)

Dave de Vos
04-22-2011, 04:21 PM
The music from 0:37 onwards is not my taste, but I liked http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=rWCvqhMFp48.

Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 09:39 PM
Non-sequitur. This thread is not about videos, it's about whether Aikiweb allows an open exchange of ideas, or if it is a clique that only permits a de facto party line. One possibility that has been raised is that the problem is not with what you say, but how you say it, e.g., blunt expression and "harmless ribbing". I ribbed you about your communication skills, and your response was "show me a video", as if skill in aikido (which I don't do) has anything to do with the subject at hand. Classical ad hominem. Don't try to change the subject; man up and address the question of whether your style of communication is at cross-purposes with what you trying to communicate.

Well it seems you have something to hide ? I don't..... So what ever you do lets see hear about it...... I'm all ears... and eyes...:hypno:

Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Thank you, very nice. :)

Cliff you are welcome....

Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 09:52 PM
Check out the jo block at 3:40; can't wait to try that out on the streets!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWCvqhMFp48

You wouldn't know Graham. If you look closely you will see that is quite easy to block the jo at that particular point, try it sometime....
If you have the bottle....
You see none of it was set up... I just told those students to come in as they wanted and see what they could do with it, it didn't matter whether it was wrong or right, it's called experimentation, something you only do with your Daddy.....?

Tony Wagstaffe
04-22-2011, 09:55 PM
The music from 0:37 onwards is not my taste, but I liked http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=rWCvqhMFp48.

Sorry Dave, it wasn't my choice, maybe the 1812 overture would have been more to your liking? :D

Gorgeous George
04-22-2011, 10:44 PM
You wouldn't know Graham. If you look closely you will see that is quite easy to block the jo at that particular point, try it sometime....
If you have the bottle....
You see none of it was set up... I just told those students to come in as they wanted and see what they could do with it, it didn't matter whether it was wrong or right, it's called experimentation, something you only do with your Daddy.....?

Hahaha. Tony: your inferiority complex is absurd.
I've had less compliance than displayed by your aiki-bunnies when playfighting (I loved the one bit where the guy does a weird running punch thing; i've not yet learned that in Muay Thai...).
It's called 'Not being humoured so you can save face.'; try it some time - if you have the bottle.

You caught a jo, going full-speed in a shomen strike, with your hand. That's stupid, and only worked because - as with everything in that video - your ukes are ultra-compliant (ironically).
I wonder if you can cite a respected weapons teacher who trains people to do that, as it's safe, and effective...

I see no connection to uke in any of your techniques; no relaxation in your posture; your ma-ai during the weapons work is non-existent - as is the power in your strikes; and after you throw someone, you frequently stumble and have to regain your balance: bad aikido.

If you fail even in a no pressure, compliant situation such as this, then how are you expected to succeed in a pressurised, non-compliant scenario?

Take care.

Josh Reyer
04-23-2011, 01:40 AM
Well it seems you have something to hide ? I don't..... So what ever you do lets see hear about it...... I'm all ears... and eyes...:hypno:Eyes, I'll give you. Mouth, sure. Haven't seen much evidence of ears yet. I notice you still haven't addressed the content of anything I've posted.

Hellis
04-23-2011, 01:47 AM
Tony, have you put up a video of your Aikido? I'm just curious. You seem a bit particular about what it is and how training should be conducted and it would be nice to have a visual aid and see what you do.

Tony

My son Rik was in Winchester on ``business `` last week. Don't take this the wrong way - I asked him to ask the people in the know, if you were known in the area ?
Rik said he received a very positive response that you were a very capable guy to have on side...Rik said that was good enough for him,,so it is also good enough for me..

Respect

Henry Ellis
Aikido in MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

Dave de Vos
04-23-2011, 04:07 AM
Sorry Dave, it wasn't my choice, maybe the 1812 overture would have been more to your liking? :D

Not particularly. I think I would prefer no music at all from 0:37 onwards. Just the sound of the training itself.

Tony Wagstaffe
04-23-2011, 05:22 AM
Hahaha. Tony: your inferiority complex is absurd.
I've had less compliance than displayed by your aiki-bunnies when playfighting (I loved the one bit where the guy does a weird running punch thing; i've not yet learned that in Muay Thai...).
It's called 'Not being humoured so you can save face.'; try it some time - if you have the bottle.

You caught a jo, going full-speed in a shomen strike, with your hand. That's stupid, and only worked because - as with everything in that video - your ukes are ultra-compliant (ironically).
I wonder if you can cite a respected weapons teacher who trains people to do that, as it's safe, and effective...

I see no connection to uke in any of your techniques; no relaxation in your posture; your ma-ai during the weapons work is non-existent - as is the power in your strikes; and after you throw someone, you frequently stumble and have to regain your balance: bad aikido.

If you fail even in a no pressure, compliant situation such as this, then how are you expected to succeed in a pressurised, non-compliant scenario?

Take care.

Well lets see you in action as well shall we? I would just love to see your fantastic aikido, put up or shut up....... if you have the bottle?

Tony Wagstaffe
04-23-2011, 05:27 AM
Eyes, I'll give you. Mouth, sure. Haven't seen much evidence of ears yet. I notice you still haven't addressed the content of anything I've posted.

Well come on Joshua lets see some of your stuff not what you write, but your stuff, I am really interested.....

Tony Wagstaffe
04-23-2011, 05:38 AM
Not particularly. I think I would prefer no music at all from 0:37 onwards. Just the sound of the training itself.

Dave, I did not have any input or decision on the promotion "demo" video, all I got was the completed article. You have to understand I did not set it up They asked me to show some stuff, I just did it impromptu, no practice beforehand, just as you see it, if somebody got dumped a bit hard (which they did) I thought it would go in, but I didn't edit it....
Maybe the students that did thought they were doing me a favour by editing out that which I thought would be in it, that's life.... :(

Tony Wagstaffe
04-23-2011, 05:48 AM
Tony

My son Rik was in Winchester on ``business `` last week. Don't take this the wrong way - I asked him to ask the people in the know, if you were known in the area ?
Rik said he received a very positive response that you were a very capable guy to have on side...Rik said that was good enough for him,,so it is also good enough for me..

Respect

Henry Ellis
Aikido in MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

I'll take that as the compliment you meant it in Henry Sensei, and it is coming from you......

I have always been up front in what ever I do, whether good or bad. I don't profess to be the worlds best aikidoka, whoops! sorry martial artist? ecky thump master? I just wonder how many here are? I'm sure there are many, but they don't come forward....?
My aikido isn't pretty, it's not meant to be.... sometimes it might come off like that, but it usually looks rough, like me, as you see I'm not as "refined" as some on here.....

Tony Wagstaffe
04-23-2011, 06:28 AM
Hahaha. Tony: your inferiority complex is absurd.
I've had less compliance than displayed by your aiki-bunnies when playfighting (I loved the one bit where the guy does a weird running punch thing; i've not yet learned that in Muay Thai...).
It's called 'Not being humoured so you can save face.'; try it some time - if you have the bottle.

You caught a jo, going full-speed in a shomen strike, with your hand. That's stupid, and only worked because - as with everything in that video - your ukes are ultra-compliant (ironically).
I wonder if you can cite a respected weapons teacher who trains people to do that, as it's safe, and effective...

I see no connection to uke in any of your techniques; no relaxation in your posture; your ma-ai during the weapons work is non-existent - as is the power in your strikes; and after you throw someone, you frequently stumble and have to regain your balance: bad aikido.

If you fail even in a no pressure, compliant situation such as this, then how are you expected to succeed in a pressurised, non-compliant scenario?

Take care.

Oh I forgot to mention I am slightly paralysed in one leg due to a carotid contusion I suffered in 1979, recovered most of my ability, but now have a permanent limp, I still entered competition randori even though I was warned against it, I am often jokingly called the one legged "samurai" But I don't let it bother me..... as I said put up or shut up, better still go and play with your kind daddy....

Gorgeous George
04-26-2011, 06:26 PM
Well lets see you in action as well shall we? I would just love to see your fantastic aikido, put up or shut up....... if you have the bottle?

Tony: if my aikido was the worst in the world, or non-existent (which I frequently assert), that would make your aikido no better (those who seek to make themselves look good by putting others down are known as bullies, by the way): it is what it is - in an absolute, not relative, sense - and if you can only look good in comparison to someone who's been training for a little over two years, then isn't that worrying, given that you've trained for decades, and attained the grade of fourth dan?

I wasn't competing, Tony - I wasn't saying 'You look shit - i'm way better.'; I was 'telling it like it is' - so how good or bad I am is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the fact that you make claims that are completely outlandish, based on reality (i.e., your aikido).

The difference between you and I is that you go around claiming to 'have it', and deriding those who are honestly trying; and I openly say that I am terrible, and I want to learn - and that there are many people out there who don't practice non-resitance with resistance, whose aikido I am in awe of.

My 'daddy'...? What are you talking about?
You exist on a level of pettiness, and childishness which most people outgrow with adolescence; perhaps this attitude of conflict, and combativeness helps explain your aikido, and lack of ability to grasp and respect the point of view of others, when it differs from your own.

Good luck with it, anyway: i'm secure with who I am; you don't seem to be, though. That's a shame.

Good day.

Tony Wagstaffe
04-26-2011, 06:48 PM
Tony: if my aikido was the worst in the world, or non-existent (which I frequently assert), that would make your aikido no better (those who seek to make themselves look good by putting others down are known as bullies, by the way): it is what it is - in an absolute, not relative, sense - and if you can only look good in comparison to someone who's been training for a little over two years, then isn't that worrying, given that you've trained for decades, and attained the grade of fourth dan?

I wasn't competing, Tony - I wasn't saying 'You look shit - i'm way better.'; I was 'telling it like it is' - so how good or bad I am is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the fact that you make claims that are completely outlandish, based on reality (i.e., your aikido).

The difference between you and I is that you go around claiming to 'have it', and deriding those who are honestly trying; and I openly say that I am terrible, and I want to learn - and that there are many people out there who don't practice non-resitance with resistance, whose aikido I am in awe of.

My 'daddy'...? What are you talking about?
You exist on a level of pettiness, and childishness which most people outgrow with adolescence; perhaps this attitude of conflict, and combativeness helps explain your aikido, and lack of ability to grasp and respect the point of view of others, when it differs from your own.

Good luck with it, anyway: i'm secure with who I am; you don't seem to be, though. That's a shame.

Good day.

As I expected, come on Graham lets see it, nothing to be ashamed of, is there? I just want to see what you can do that's all..... I'm very secure in mine to...... I'm just very inquisitive as to what people are hiding as to what they are saying, nothing wrong with that is there?
I don't claim anything , just as it is, as you say, thank you.....
Graham Christian can do it and I except what he has to say on what he does. At least he is honest about it.... That I can respect.....

Eva Antonia
04-27-2011, 01:33 AM
Hello,

I personally liked that video, it gives a very comprehensive overview over different techniques in that short time! I liked especially the counters to foot attacks and the ground techniques.

And I don't see why ukes should NOT be compliant in a demonstration video - the purpose is to show how the technique works ideally, isn't it? I also have my doubts that such a video is a sufficient mean to demonstrate the possibilities of dealing efficiently with resistant ukes; how would the person who films catch exactly the right angle and right position to focus on the movement that is decisive?
Last but not least, we made a photo gallery of our dojo, and I found that there were millions of errors to be detected in the frozen image that I never ever noticed during the flow of the movement (not my own, obviously...these are observed by the others :rolleyes: ).
But I did not like too much the wide gaps between the tatamis; they look as if it is very easy to catch your toes in between!!

Best regards,

Eva
(always watching aikido videos in silent mode!)

Hellis
04-27-2011, 02:29 AM
I'll take that as the compliment you meant it in Henry Sensei, and it is coming from you......

I have always been up front in what ever I do, whether good or bad. I don't profess to be the worlds best aikidoka, whoops! sorry martial artist? ecky thump master? I just wonder how many here are? I'm sure there are many, but they don't come forward....?
My aikido isn't pretty, it's not meant to be.... sometimes it might come off like that, but it usually looks rough, like me, as you see I'm not as "refined" as some on here.....

Tony

The last thing you want when you are in a real situation is someone doing ``pretty aikido `` - you would have to put him away first as he would be in your way :)

Henry Ellis
Aikido in MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

Tony Wagstaffe
04-27-2011, 04:35 AM
Hello,

I personally liked that video, it gives a very comprehensive overview over different techniques in that short time! I liked especially the counters to foot attacks and the ground techniques.

And I don't see why ukes should NOT be compliant in a demonstration video - the purpose is to show how the technique works ideally, isn't it? I also have my doubts that such a video is a sufficient mean to demonstrate the possibilities of dealing efficiently with resistant ukes; how would the person who films catch exactly the right angle and right position to focus on the movement that is decisive?
Last but not least, we made a photo gallery of our dojo, and I found that there were millions of errors to be detected in the frozen image that I never ever noticed during the flow of the movement (not my own, obviously...these are observed by the others :rolleyes: ).
But I did not like too much the wide gaps between the tatamis; they look as if it is very easy to catch your toes in between!!

Best regards,

Eva
(always watching aikido videos in silent mode!)

Thanks Eva, The music wasn't exactly to my liking either, but that is young ones for you (I was the same :D ) The mats were slipping apart as I was pushed from pillar to post at the venue I was asked to coach in, They go on about 'elf & safety and the floor was polished!! We tried wedging them in with some substandard mats at the side, but as always nothing is perfect. That hall we were doing it in was barely wide enough to throw with complete safety, so I had to be careful on a couple of waza, otherwise it would have looked like a bar room brawl as my "ukes" would have "bounced" off them....

Tony Wagstaffe
04-27-2011, 04:37 AM
Tony

The last thing you want when you are in a real situation is someone doing ``pretty aikido `` - you would have to put him away first as he would be in your way :)

Henry Ellis
Aikido in MMA
http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/

Not bloomin likely Sensei.....;)

Diana Frese
04-27-2011, 05:30 AM
Another reminiscence from me, "Dianne of the Mothball Fleet" who just started trying to learn ukemi all over again from seated in the grass a la the thread on fear of ukemi.... and did a few sword breathing exercises yesterday .... (thanks fellow AikiWebbers for your encouragement...)

Venues!!! From the mists of time... the old Manhattan Center, where the best way to spread the word about Aikido was to volunteer the dojo to give demos in the intermissions of the Karate Tournaments (at the time the bloody noses scared me off, but later in life I learned to appreciate Karate ...)

There we were in our street clothes on stage kneeling at the four sides of the mats extending ki ---- to keep the mats together!!! while the demo continued. Out of the corner of one eye I saw a hand grab a wrist... it was Yamada Sensei making sure Ken Nisson didn't fly out into the audience!

By the way, Tony, thanks for posting several videos on YouTube on April 16th, we still only have dial up but started with the movement in response to atemi one, liked it and are looking forward to the others... I was replaying the original one when Chuck came home and he enjoyed watching it again...

Trying to get him to fit some time into the driving and carpentry schedule to train with me...

Tony Wagstaffe
04-27-2011, 05:45 AM
Another reminiscence from me, "Dianne of the Mothball Fleet" who just started trying to learn ukemi all over again from seated in the grass a la the thread on fear of ukemi.... and did a few sword breathing exercises yesterday .... (thanks fellow AikiWebbers for your encouragement...)

Venues!!! From the mists of time... the old Manhattan Center, where the best way to spread the word about Aikido was to volunteer the dojo to give demos in the intermissions of the Karate Tournaments (at the time the bloody noses scared me off, but later in life I learned to appreciate Karate ...)

There we were in our street clothes on stage kneeling at the four sides of the mats extending ki ---- to keep the mats together!!! while the demo continued. Out of the corner of one eye I saw a hand grab a wrist... it was Yamada Sensei making sure Ken Nisson didn't fly out into the audience!

By the way, Tony, thanks for posting several videos on YouTube on April 16th, we still only have dial up but started with the movement in response to atemi one, liked it and are looking forward to the others... I was replaying the original one when Chuck came home and he enjoyed watching it again...

Trying to get him to fit some time into the driving and carpentry schedule to train with me...

I know the feeling..... I was there once just to survive, I was jack of all and semi "master" :D in three..... sparks, cabbie, painter and decorator.....

I'll have to take up a course in film and video making.....:p :)

NagaBaba
04-27-2011, 01:14 PM
Hello Tony,
I greatly enjoyed your video. Very solid aikido. However, you set expectations much more differently with your anty aikibunny war. So I expected to see more martial aspects in your techniques and less tanking from your uke. Also attacks are without martial intent. Just like mainstream aikido.
I hope you can still continue to practice aikido.

Tony Wagstaffe
04-27-2011, 08:27 PM
Hello Tony,
I greatly enjoyed your video. Very solid aikido. However, you set expectations much more differently with your anty aikibunny war. So I expected to see more martial aspects in your techniques and less tanking from your uke. Also attacks are without martial intent. Just like mainstream aikido.
I hope you can still continue to practice aikido.

Nice of you to say so, I like bunnies really......, the fluffy type that taste good in a stew that is :D
Short of going to war with my ukes I could only do what was asked of me on the day (within reason) with the ukes I had available, believe me.... The poor orange belt, bless him, took a bit of a concussion, but he was allright, hence my concerned look at the end of the video, no damage done.... The hall we were supplied with wasn't exactly ideal but we tried to do our best, bearing in mind 'elf & safety..... I am not there anymore due to differences with the admin and students union after 17 years, the last few was really trying with the indifference I encountered .... I hope to have another dojo up by late summer if all goes well.... I still practice most days with kihon and other exercise related to martial arts, its a bit difficult throwing oneself with out some not being their to do it, but my son who has a passing interest obliges me when he can spare his time, he is a natural giant and makes me work hard for my waza, he is much stronger than me physically so it's not so bad......:)

Tony Wagstaffe
04-28-2011, 09:25 AM
Another reminiscence from me, "Dianne of the Mothball Fleet" who just started trying to learn ukemi all over again from seated in the grass a la the thread on fear of ukemi.... and did a few sword breathing exercises yesterday .... (thanks fellow AikiWebbers for your encouragement...)

Venues!!! From the mists of time... the old Manhattan Center, where the best way to spread the word about Aikido was to volunteer the dojo to give demos in the intermissions of the Karate Tournaments (at the time the bloody noses scared me off, but later in life I learned to appreciate Karate ...)

There we were in our street clothes on stage kneeling at the four sides of the mats extending ki ---- to keep the mats together!!! while the demo continued. Out of the corner of one eye I saw a hand grab a wrist... it was Yamada Sensei making sure Ken Nisson didn't fly out into the audience!

By the way, Tony, thanks for posting several videos on YouTube on April 16th, we still only have dial up but started with the movement in response to atemi one, liked it and are looking forward to the others... I was replaying the original one when Chuck came home and he enjoyed watching it again...

Trying to get him to fit some time into the driving and carpentry schedule to train with me...

Does Chuck ever get that knackered feeling.....? :D.....;)

I know I do.....

Diana Frese
04-30-2011, 11:34 AM
Thanks for your concern Tony, it makes us feel a lot better to be understood! Chuck knows the term from reading cycling news online, the racers from Oz are saying that....

He is trying to get the limo people to allow more than 3 hours sleep per night, or after a late and an early, the next night has to be normal sleep...

If they don't care what happens to the drivers they should at least care what happens to the cars....

Oh well, not to go on a rant .... I'm trying to think positive, Chuck and myself watching your April 16 videos together soon... Thanks again...

Tony Wagstaffe
04-30-2011, 03:44 PM
Thanks for your concern Tony, it makes us feel a lot better to be understood! Chuck knows the term from reading cycling news online, the racers from Oz are saying that....

He is trying to get the limo people to allow more than 3 hours sleep per night, or after a late and an early, the next night has to be normal sleep...

If they don't care what happens to the drivers they should at least care what happens to the cars....

Oh well, not to go on a rant .... I'm trying to think positive, Chuck and myself watching your April 16 videos together soon... Thanks again...

Dianne you'd be surprised how much I can read between the lines. Most humans tend to think alike.....;) well some do anyway......

Michael Varin
05-01-2011, 01:56 AM
Re: Tony's videos

I liked them.

Nothing jaw dropping, but better than most aikido that I see.

And, it seems Tony works with a fairly talented group of young people, which sort of speeks for itself.

Plus, anyone who posts video automatically gets a certain amount of credit, because there are so many these days who love to talk but absolutely refuse to post video.

Tony Wagstaffe
05-01-2011, 07:10 AM
Re: Tony's videos

I liked them.

Nothing jaw dropping, but better than most aikido that I see.

And, it seems Tony works with a fairly talented group of young people, which sort of speeks for itself.

Plus, anyone who posts video automatically gets a certain amount of credit, because there are so many these days who love to talk but absolutely refuse to post video.

I wonder why? Anyone can see my channel .....

http://www.youtube.com/user/towag?feature=mhum

Tony Wagstaffe
05-02-2011, 04:54 AM
All of them were beginners to start, some had experience in other arts such as kung fu and karate, judo, but the black belt started from scratch....;) He was really scared of doing ukemi......?

Michael Varin
05-02-2011, 05:00 AM
It looks like you did a great job with them, Tony.

Like I said... That kind of speaks for itself.

Tony Wagstaffe
05-02-2011, 05:10 AM
It looks like you did a great job with them, Tony.

Like I said... That kind of speaks for itself.

Michael, I try, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.....
It's most likely why I have never had that many students in one go.....
I don't expect them to do what I can't do myself. Even ukemi if I have to and that is not as easy as it used to be.....:mad: