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rulemaker
11-17-2010, 10:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAWIqRbda4

Richard Stevens
11-17-2010, 01:06 PM
Hmmm, telling Lyoto Machida not to clinch is like telling Tyson not to use uppercuts.

Gorgeous George
11-17-2010, 06:58 PM
Hahahaha. 'You need to work on your combinations...'
Brilliant!

Some of it seems like real 'Teaching your grandmother to suck eggs' - but what do we know about MMA training - especially comparitive to Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida?

Ketsan
11-17-2010, 07:22 PM
Hahahaha. 'You need to work on your combinations...'
Brilliant!

Some of it seems like real 'Teaching your grandmother to suck eggs' - but what do we know about MMA training - especially comparitive to Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida?

Maybe that's the point? I can imagine that MMA has kinda become, technically speaking, rather stagnant. So maybe fighters are looking for something to give them an edge.

Gorgeous George
11-17-2010, 07:27 PM
Maybe that's the point? I can imagine that MMA has kinda become, technically speaking, rather stagnant. So maybe fighters are looking for something to give them an edge.

Perhaps.
If two of the UFC champions are getting Seagal in to train them - well, who in the MMA world can argue? Silva's regarded as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, and Machida was unbeaten until his last fight.

Andrew Macdonald
11-17-2010, 08:48 PM
definately

If they choose to train with Segal they just see something in it,

certainly alot of what I have seen in Segal's aikido from back in th day it seems a lot more direct and tighter than the Hombu style.

it would be interesting to see some well trained fighters like this trying to incorparate some of the principles of aikido.

so thing i have always mantained is that to study an art like aikido well, you must have some exoerience in other 'hard style' martial arts.....

i don;t want to hijack this thread if the last sentence is worth discussing, we can take it on a new thread

grondahl
11-18-2010, 02:35 AM
It doesn´t really look like training to me.

DonMagee
11-18-2010, 07:10 AM
I think it is a great idea. With Steven's background in sport fight...wait...

ummm, with the improvements Anderson Silva made after training with Steven...umm...wait.

I got nothing. :D

chillzATL
11-18-2010, 08:25 AM
I think it is a great idea. With Steven's background in sport fight...wait...

ummm, with the improvements Anderson Silva made after training with Steven...umm...wait.

I got nothing. :D

He did corner him to a late triangle win over the juicer... :)

grondahl
11-18-2010, 08:43 AM
Corner him to one of Anderson Silvas weakest performances ever that is.

He did corner him to a late triangle win over the juicer... :)

Richard Stevens
11-18-2010, 09:34 AM
It made me think of that annoying uncle who always corners you at family get togethers and won't shut up. You try to be nice and nod and smile, but he just won't go away.

David Orange
11-18-2010, 11:12 AM
It made me think of that annoying uncle who always corners you at family get togethers and won't shut up. You try to be nice and nod and smile, but he just won't go away.

I succumbed to curiosity the other night and watched "A Dangerous Man," starring Steven Seagal, and noticed something.

Then I saw this clip of him with Lyoto Machida and noticed the same thing.

What's with his hair color? Speaking of annoying uncles....remember the one who colors his hair with shoe polish???

Just noticing....

Gorgeous George
11-18-2010, 09:07 PM
Corner him to one of Anderson Silvas weakest performances ever that is.

...but then, he went into that fight on the back of some sub-par performances which saw him threatened with expulsion from the UFC.

And his opponent cheated...

And you can't comment on the standard of his performance without taking into account his opponent/s: those who have tried to 'stand up' with him have been made to look like a joke - and when he's previously fought a strong wrestler (two and a half years ago), he got put on his back and beaten up: in the same way we saw against Chael Sonnen.

chillzATL
11-19-2010, 08:30 AM
Corner him to one of Anderson Silvas weakest performances ever that is.

bah, he was simply getting out classed by a wrestler which has been his supposed weak spot. The performance may have been lack luster, but the win was outstanding.

grondahl
11-19-2010, 10:06 AM
However; I dont think that Seagal was the factor that made Silva go for that triangle.

But I agree, it was a sweet win but Silva seems to have gotten in to a slump in his career. Can´t be easy to stay focused and motivated when the competition is as weak as it has been before the fight with Sonnen.

Aikibu
11-19-2010, 12:16 PM
Personally be it an Aikido principle or not I think Anderson was a genius in illustrating that all an opponent needs to do is make one mistake and boom he's done. I have seen Fedyor do much the same. Which is the reason both are my favorite fighters. perhaps Anderson was not helped much by the techniques Seagal taught him.. but by the Principle of Irimi which for both Fedyor and Anderson... seems to work perfectly. :)

William Hazen

bkedelen
11-19-2010, 02:27 PM
I am blown away that Segal was teaching and not the other way around. Silva and Machida are legends. To waste their time with those front kicks and some mongrel Wing Chun seems preposterous. The only thing that my brain could accept was that he was teaching some pretty solid irimi, which I feel would benefit any MMA guy. I guarantee that I will never reach a level as a martial artist where I would not still give a nut to spend a day working with Silva and Machida. To have that day and spend it lecturing them is like putting A-1 steak sauce on the Hope Diamond.

DonMagee
11-19-2010, 03:12 PM
Is it just me or does Machida look fairly irritated and annoyed in the video?

Brion Toss
11-20-2010, 12:26 PM
Is it just me or does Machida look fairly irritated and annoyed in the video?
It might be just me, but I think it was just you. In any event, though in this case it is difficult to avoid considering the source, the advice, for the most part, wasn't bad...

Mark Tyner
11-25-2010, 08:03 PM
Hahahaha. 'You need to work on your combinations...'
Brilliant!

Some of it seems like real 'Teaching your grandmother to suck eggs' - but what do we know about MMA training - especially comparitive to Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida?

Yea, but then again, maybe he did need to work on his combinations. Seagal Sensei had noticed he was not following up with any hand combinations after his kicks, and he was right. He also told him to go after Rampage's knees with kicks as they were weak, and that is exactly what Machida did for whole the 1st round and scored often.
Gee, I don't know, but I think I would take the advice of a 7th Dan who has been practicing a martial art for over forty years, but maybe thats just me.

KamiKaze_Evolution
11-26-2010, 07:17 AM
Sifu Bing Chen of Chen style Taichi makes pushing hand in MMA domain, Aiki Nage of Aikido is included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs

DonMagee
11-27-2010, 11:22 PM
Yea, but then again, maybe he did need to work on his combinations. Seagal Sensei had noticed he was not following up with any hand combinations after his kicks, and he was right. He also told him to go after Rampage's knees with kicks as they were weak, and that is exactly what Machida did for whole the 1st round and scored often.
Gee, I don't know, but I think I would take the advice of a 7th Dan who has been practicing a martial art for over forty years, but maybe thats just me.

Hell, I could have gave Machida that advice, even Joe Rogan could have given him that advice.

Forrest Griffen basically wrote the book on beating Rampage.

mickeygelum
11-27-2010, 11:39 PM
Seagal Sensei had noticed he was not following up with any hand combinations

...Yeah, got to fend off the greyhaired-earlybirds for the buffet table!

rulemaker
11-28-2010, 02:57 AM
Seagal is back! Zaftig action star works on Machida's defense
By Steve Cofield
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Seagal-is-back-Zaftig-action-star-works-on-Mach?urn=mma-285640

Team Blackhouse must be sold on the teachings of Steve Seagal. Just like he did before Anderson Silva's last fight at UFC 117, the action movie star turned Louisiana deputy, is seen working with another one of the team's fighters.

Seagal, a seventh-degree black belt in Aikido, takes Lyoto Machida through a number of positions. Most of the drills cover counterstriking and defense.

At the 1:23 mark, Seagal talks about how Mauricio "Shogun" Rua overwhelmed Machida with flurries. He tells Machida to move to the side and use the opponent's offense to counter. Machida is already one of the best counterstrikers in MMA. If Seagal can add anything to his game, look out!

Silva told Tatame that people need to stop cracking on Seagal. He learned a lot from the movie star.

Machida lost his UFC light heavyweight title to Shogun back in May. He steps back into the Octagon this weekend against Quinton Jackson.

Gorgeous George
11-28-2010, 01:30 PM
Sifu Bing Chen of Chen style Taichi makes pushing hand in MMA domain, Aiki Nage of Aikido is included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs

That's really interesting; he certainly looks effective...

Gorgeous George
11-28-2010, 01:32 PM
Silva told Tatame that people need to stop cracking on Seagal. He learned a lot from the movie star.

Quoted for significance, as Anderson Silva is perhaps the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in MMA.

Tony Wagstaffe
12-06-2010, 09:11 AM
That's really interesting; he certainly looks effective...
Yep it looks very muck like Shodokan randori to me, but without the tanto.....:D ;)

Michael Varin
02-06-2011, 05:00 PM
For all the naysayers…

I watched MMA Live on ESPN after Anderson Silva's spectacular knock out of Vitor Belfort with a front kick. Silva credited Seagal for the effectiveness of that technique. I did a quick search for the interview, but couldn't find it. Wouldn't be surprised if it pops up in a few days. To paraphrase, when asked why he threw the kick, he said that although it was a technique that he had always known, he has specifically been working on it with Seagal.

Now, who knows? Maybe the Spider was just trying to indulge Seagal. Maybe he wasn't.

For anyone who didn't see the fight, here is a clip of the end (no guarantee on how long the link will be good).
http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/anderson-silva-kick-to-vitor-belfort-fight-video/51472#

Gorgeous George
02-06-2011, 11:36 PM
For all the naysayers…

I watched MMA Live on ESPN after Anderson Silva's spectacular knock out of Vitor Belfort with a front kick. Silva credited Seagal for the effectiveness of that technique. I did a quick search for the interview, but couldn't find it. Wouldn't be surprised if it pops up in a few days. To paraphrase, when asked why he threw the kick, he said that although it was a technique that he had always known, he has specifically been working on it with Seagal.

Now, who knows? Maybe the Spider was just trying to indulge Seagal. Maybe he wasn't.

For anyone who didn't see the fight, here is a clip of the end (no guarantee on how long the link will be good).
http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/anderson-silva-kick-to-vitor-belfort-fight-video/51472#

Thanks: I was going to post this. What a knockout! I was watching, and it was just...it came from nowhere.

That link you gave links to the Seagal reference:

http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/steven-seagals-training-helped-anderson-silva-beat-vitor-belfort/51486

In case the video gets pulled, here's a gif, and video of Seagal - looking like his wife dressed him - talking about the kick, post-fight.

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2011/02/06/steven-seagal-taught-anderson-silva-the-front-kick-that-he-knocked-vitor-belfort-out-with-at-ufc-126/

Michael Neal
02-07-2011, 10:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVDFW_o1cA

Here is the video where Seagal teaches him the front kick and other stuff