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mastro
07-15-2010, 12:26 AM
Hi everybody this is my first post!! Today are my 5th kyu exams and i would to ask you if someone has a video or a detailed description about the kaitenage-soto-tenkan technique!! i would like to see some last min errors :) hope someone can help me!!

niall
07-15-2010, 05:18 AM
Maybe try "soto kaiten nage" in youtube? Good luck!

lbb
07-15-2010, 08:36 AM
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

Mikemac
07-15-2010, 09:19 AM
Here's a video from a dojo that lists all the techniques for testing on their site. Maybe this is what you are looking for:

http://www.chushin.com/Video/5th/KatatetoriKaitennageTS.wmv

aikishihan
07-15-2010, 09:45 AM
Hello Michael,

It appears that James Nakayama Sensei was performing "uchi" kaiten nage, not "soto". The "atemi" was omitted, so it may look confusing.

It still looks good enough to use for training purposes!

Yoroshiku ongegaishimasu.

mastro
07-15-2010, 09:58 AM
thanks everybody!! i ll leave for the exams now!
i ll post the results, i ll try not to be nervous :)

Mikemac
07-15-2010, 10:24 AM
Hello Michael,

It appears that James Nakayama Sensei was performing "uchi" kaiten nage, not "soto". The "atemi" was omitted, so it may look confusing.

It still looks good enough to use for training purposes!

Yoroshiku ongegaishimasu.

Yeah......I realize the slight differences between schools and techniques. Figured it might help though.

Shadowfax
07-15-2010, 03:16 PM
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

My 5th kyu test included Kaiten nage uchi, soto, omote and ura versions as well as the first 4 bokken kata. :)

Mastro- I had looked on Utube for kaiten nage and I think I saw a few but they didn't quite match what my sensei was teaching. I mainly just asked someone in the dojo to let me practice on them lets of times with sensei watching and correcting me in between classes.

mastro
07-15-2010, 04:08 PM
Thanks everybody again!I passed my exams!! im 5th kyu now! Good luck to everybody and continue our progress!!

aikishihan
07-15-2010, 08:51 PM
Congratulations!

Now for that dreaded 4th kyu preparation, eh?

Good luck!

Janet Rosen
07-15-2010, 10:46 PM
Thanks everybody again!I passed my exams!! im 5th kyu now! Good luck to everybody and continue our progress!!

Congratulations on your first milestone in the journey!

Shadowfax
07-16-2010, 02:59 PM
:) congratulations.

Mikemac
07-16-2010, 05:06 PM
Way to go! Congratulations!! http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

ninjaqutie
07-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

We did uchi and soto kaitenage on my 5th kyu test.

On another note:
CONGRATS ON PASSING YOUR TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

RED
07-19-2010, 08:39 AM
Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?

A lot of associations and non-affiliated dojo require kaitenage.
It wasn't on my 5th kyu test. Didn't see it until 3rd kyu.
But associations (like ASU) or what not, aren't always standardize for what is or not on a kyu test. (sometimes they are standardized in regions, but there is differences from north to south USA, or east to west USA. ) I've heard of an ASU school the requires a "simplistic" variation of about every named technique you can think of. (While the ASU kyu tests aren't always standardized, their black belt tests are more standardized. They can only be belted in the dan ranks by their shihan. However some non-affiliates have zero consistency, even within the same school, for both kyu and dan ranks...different strokes I guess.)

Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

ninjaqutie
07-19-2010, 10:01 PM
Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

Yeah, we used to be with USAF-Western region, but now we are with Birankai. It is my understanding that we still follow their testing guidelines closely, but our sensei has some wiggle room to cut and or add techniques :)

lbb
07-20-2010, 07:44 AM
Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?

David Maidment
07-20-2010, 12:04 PM
I've heard of an ASU school the requires a "simplistic" variation of about every named technique you can think of.

We have something like this. Most techniques are on most gradings (in some form or another). At each stage the idea is that you'll be able to see a vast improvement over previous gradings. A sizeable portion of our gokyu test is repeated in the nikyu test.

RED
07-20-2010, 12:32 PM
Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?

Well I'm not going to criticize the testing standards of other federations. I'm sure they have very real reasons for what they do, and there are specific things their Shihan want out of their students.

ninjaqutie
07-20-2010, 01:11 PM
Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?

Mary, out of curiosity, what types of techniques are on the 5th kyu exam in your dojo? :) I don't need a full list or anything like that, but I would be interested in hearing more.

lbb
07-20-2010, 02:26 PM
Mary, out of curiosity, what types of techniques are on the 5th kyu exam in your dojo? :) I don't need a full list or anything like that, but I would be interested in hearing more.

Oh jeez, like I'm going to be able to remember that. Well, if you google, you can find out what the USAF requirements are -- they haven't changed much for fifth kyu since I tested, I don't think. The reason I'm not going to remember, though, is that our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants". I really don't recall what that was for my test, but I don't believe we had any of kaitenage/udenage for fifth kyu. That said, there was a kyu test last Saturday, and the one poor guy who was testing for fifth kind of got dragged along with the people testing for 4th, and there may have been a kaitenage or two involved...I really don't remember. What's always there is suwariwaza, typically ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, iriminage and maybe shihonage...same stuff standing...eh, I don't remember what all else. It's really not that many different techniques, just from different attacks, with different openings, standing, suwari waza, hanmi handachi.

RED
07-20-2010, 03:25 PM
Oh jeez, like I'm going to be able to remember that. Well, if you google, you can find out what the USAF requirements are -- they haven't changed much for fifth kyu since I tested, I don't think. The reason I'm not going to remember, though, is that our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants". I really don't recall what that was for my test, but I don't believe we had any of kaitenage/udenage for fifth kyu. That said, there was a kyu test last Saturday, and the one poor guy who was testing for fifth kind of got dragged along with the people testing for 4th, and there may have been a kaitenage or two involved...I really don't remember. What's always there is suwariwaza, typically ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, iriminage and maybe shihonage...same stuff standing...eh, I don't remember what all else. It's really not that many different techniques, just from different attacks, with different openings, standing, suwari waza, hanmi handachi.

USAF doesn't introduce kaitenage until 3rd kyu. Suwariwaza at 4th, hamni handachi until 3rd.
The test technique requirements haven't changed since the 1980's.

lbb
07-20-2010, 08:45 PM
USAF doesn't introduce kaitenage until 3rd kyu. Suwariwaza at 4th, hamni handachi until 3rd.
The test technique requirements haven't changed since the 1980's.

As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".

RED
07-20-2010, 09:08 PM
As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".

Does he adhere to at least the minimal requirements in addition to "whatever he wants"?

lbb
07-21-2010, 04:13 PM
Does he adhere to at least the minimal requirements in addition to "whatever he wants"?

Yes. Are you satisfied now that you've done your due diligence? :p

RED
07-21-2010, 07:37 PM
Yes. Are you satisfied now that you've done your due diligence? :p

Yes...:cool:

Shadowfax
07-21-2010, 07:48 PM
As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".

Must make it awfully difficult for a person to prepare for a test if they have no idea what they will be asked to perform especially with such a wide range of possibilities. I can see that maybe for an upper kyu rank but it seems like it would be a lot to expect for someone's first or second test.

lbb
07-22-2010, 09:00 AM
Must make it awfully difficult for a person to prepare for a test if they have no idea what they will be asked to perform especially with such a wide range of possibilities. I can see that maybe for an upper kyu rank but it seems like it would be a lot to expect for someone's first or second test.

Well, Sensei is not rigid about it -- it's not like he'd fail someone testing for 5th kyu who couldn't do something that was officially a 4th kyu technique. I think his real reason for doing it is that it pushes people in the direction that he really wants us to go: less towards memorizing a list of techniques, and more towards learning the core principles. So, instead of learning "shomenuchi iriminage omote and ura" and the like, he's trying to get us to pay less attention to the technique and more attention to the opening, from which (if it's good) the technique can follow. Anyway, yeah, there's always a bit of a freakout period before tests when people realize how much they don't know, but I'll bet that's the same at any dojo. The seniors always put in a lot of extra time helping people get ready for tests, and by test day things are pretty calm and people feel ready.

ninjaqutie
07-22-2010, 01:39 PM
Our sensei likes to change the test too. We have "standard" things on each test, but he always throws things in that aren't on there. More often then not, I hear it is things you should know or have already done though. I think it is just one more factor that pushes you beyond your comfort zone, which can be a great opportunity for growth. I don't know if he would fail you if you couldn't perform it well or not though. I have only tested once and I have only seen one other test done and that was two people testing for 5th kyu like I did a few months later.

Shadowfax
07-22-2010, 02:17 PM
well my 5th kyu did have a surprise pop quiz (shomenuchi any technique) section that was not on the testing requirements but at least we do have a list of what we will be asked to do as well. We also know that it is not the technique itself that is being judged but our understanding of the principles appropriate for our level. So at 5th kyu they were looking for correctness. Posture, footwork and making sure all the pieces were there.

Any rate I guess whatever your sensei does is what you think of as normal.

lbb
07-23-2010, 09:36 AM
Any rate I guess whatever your sensei does is what you think of as normal.

Yes, as messed up as y'all evidently think that is :rolleyes:

Shadowfax
07-23-2010, 01:48 PM
Yes, as messed up as y'all evidently think that is :rolleyes:

I don't recall anyone thinking it was any more messed up than Kaiten nage on a 5th kyu test. ;) Just different.

Its interesting to compare experiences.